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    Default Re: Sco v Eng - Scrum back?

    Here's an interesting point though. 18.23.b very clearly says option lineout/scrum for not-5 (teammate).

    At least in the Android app, and I'd guess other forms, there's a film link for illustration of the law, IRE-JAP women's international... And the ref gives a free kick for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    Here's an interesting point though. 18.23.b very clearly says option lineout/scrum for not-5 (teammate).

    At least in the Android app, and I'd guess other forms, there's a film link for illustration of the law, IRE-JAP women's international... And the ref gives a free kick for it!
    I had forgotten about that!
    Ammunition for the ARU viewpoint

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    Default Re: Sco v Eng - Scrum back?

    Actually, checking back 18.25 was introduced in 2019 (unannounced)

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I think what's happened there is that they set the exam prior to 2017 and haven't updated it (either because they haven't noticed the change, or haven't accepted the change. I wonder which)
    They definitely have not updated the exam as there were 2 other "correct" answers that contradicted the 2020 law book. When I queried with RA (ARU) I was advised it was the 2018 test/laws and update not yet made due to time and money (So our law accrediation is based on 2018 laws....yay for Oz rugby administartion!!!)
    But that doesnt explain this particular issue...so it seems to be a deliberate RA interpretation to apply a FK.
    Tell em it's Law 23 and smile

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    Here's an interesting point though. 18.23.b very clearly says option lineout/scrum for not-5 (teammate).
    The option is clear, yes, but "teammate"?? What am I missing?

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    Default Re: Sco v Eng - Scrum back?

    Sinkler ripped the ball after tackled player and he had both gone to ground. I would PK that all day long. Anyone else disagree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treadmore View Post
    The option is clear, yes, but "teammate"?? What am I missing?
    The options are different if it's a teammate who takes the ball within the 5m compared to an opponent who takes the ball within the 5m of the thrower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    I don't agree with your assessment of the Law.


    • The section about the throw being blocked is clearly separate from the requirement that it travel 5m.
    • I think the rewrite means, inadvertently or not, that any failure of throw to go 5m is a scrum.
    According to my last advisor BOTH are Free Kicks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrouchTPEngage View Post
    The options are different if it's a teammate who takes the ball within the 5m compared to an opponent who takes the ball within the 5m of the thrower.
    Where is that in the Law? (It's not 18.25)

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    Default Re: Sco v Eng - Scrum back?

    I read 18.23b as any player actually playing the ball (a la the scenario in Sco/Eng where someone catches it before the 5m line), and 18.25 as someone not actually playing the ball (i.e. slapping down a QTI).

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