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    Default Re: New Front Row logic tree

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBFG View Post
    One of the new parts I notice, is the "Head Injury" (recognise and remove) uncontested play with 15. Is this if the team medic/physio takes a player off or if the ref orders a player off, or both?
    I would say both.

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    In the community game, wherever man off applies , I would expect that all front row players leaving the pitch for injury will be recorded as a suspected head injury, in order to maintain 15 players on the pitch. Why wouldn't you?

    This whole system , with all the exceptions that may or may not apply, is far too complicated. Man off shouldn't be used in the community game anyway, where it's silly to have players standing on the sideline who want to play rugby, but only 14 of them allowed on the pitch

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    Default Re: New Front Row logic tree

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    In the community game, wherever man off applies , I would expect that all front row players leaving the pitch for injury will be recorded as a suspected head injury, in order to maintain 15 players on the pitch. Why wouldn't you?

    This whole system , with all the exceptions that may or may not apply, is far too complicated. Man off shouldn't be used in the community game anyway, where it's silly to have players standing on the sideline who want to play rugby, but only 14 of them allowed on the pitch

    Let them play...
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    In the community game, wherever man off applies , I would expect that all front row players leaving the pitch for injury will be recorded as a suspected head injury, in order to maintain 15 players on the pitch. Why wouldn't you?
    Because you are getting absolutely stuffed in the scrums on a wet shitty day, and are quite happy to go a man down if you can have uncontested scrums?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    Because you are getting absolutely stuffed in the scrums on a wet shitty day, and are quite happy to go a man down if you can have uncontested scrums?
    Phil , you are missing the point. If you go off for a *head injury* then you don't go man off, you stay at 15 uncontested
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    That's a bit hard to sell when he's holding his leg/arm/back?

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    Default Re: New Front Row logic tree

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    That's a bit hard to sell when he's holding his leg/arm/back?

    Well, if someone tells me there is a suspected head injury I am going to take that at face value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post

    This whole system , with all the exceptions that may or may not apply, is far too complicated. Man off shouldn't be used in the community game anyway, where it's silly to have players standing on the sideline who want to play rugby, but only 14 of them allowed on the pitch

    Let them play...
    While notionally i agree - didnt the man off rules pretty much eminate from the community level too particularly to prevent a side feigning a FR injury because they are getting pumped in the scrum yet they get to go uncontested AND keep 15 (ie they will win all their scrums).

    The reality is under the new replacment rules that allows a substituted FR player to come back on to maintain contested scrums will mean the man off rule should hardly ever need to apply (if you bring at least a couple spare FR to the game and they dont all get injured!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by menace View Post
    While notionally i agree - didnt the man off rules pretty much eminate from the community level too particularly to prevent a side feigning a FR injury because they are getting pumped in the scrum yet they get to go uncontested AND keep 15 (ie they will win all their scrums).

    The reality is under the new replacment rules that allows a substituted FR player to come back on to maintain contested scrums will mean the man off rule should hardly ever need to apply (if you bring at least a couple spare FR to the game and they dont all get injured!)
    By all means have a penalty for going uncontested. One league I ref in its 10 points.

    But not man off. It's a community game, the aim is to have as many people playing as possible.

    And personally I think it's the pro game who feign injury for tactical reasons. In the games I ref if any captain asked a prop to feign injury and leave the pitch so that scrums could be uncontested, he would be told where to put that idea. Players want to play , even if they are getting pumped
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    By all means have a penalty for going uncontested. One league I ref in its 10 points.

    But not man off. It's a community game, the aim is to have as many people playing as possible.

    And personally I think it's the pro game who feign injury for tactical reasons. In the games I ref if any captain asked a prop to feign injury and leave the pitch so that scrums could be uncontested, he would be told where to put that idea. Players want to play , even if they are getting pumped
    Again...I partially agree.

    In these parts it was actually the players/teams asking for a man off rule if a team couldnt/wouldn't contest scrums. Im just saying dont lay the entire blame for the law at the foot of the "suites behind desks".
    I think youre a little niave to think all community level teams just want to play....they want to win their cup too. Not all community teams play for shIts and giggles.
    Im not sayings it's right just pointing out the reality.
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