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    Default Knock on into the dead ball area.

    I was watching a game today, if the attacking team knock the ball on into the dead ball area, defensive team then touch it down, would you give the option of the knock on or 22?

    I have been giving this option but then I saw a game today in The Champ Cup and the option wasn't given.

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Quote Originally Posted by frenchie851 View Post
    I was watching a game today, if the attacking team knock the ball on into the dead ball area, defensive team then touch it down, would you give the option of the knock on or 22?

    I have been giving this option but then I saw a game today in The Champ Cup and the option wasn't given.
    Scrum 5, defending team feed

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Yup, scrum 5, a 22 would be way too much advantage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    a 22 would be way too much advantage
    you should at least attempt to provide a justification based in Law !

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    It was explicit in the 2017 laws.
    But got lost in the 2019 clarification.
    You can imply it from the table in law 19 and the definition of the scrum zone.
    As the mark is at 5m you cannot gain territorial advantage without leaving the in-goal.

    If you were going to contrive a situation. What if the player who retrieved the knock on cross kicked the ball to a teammate still in the in-goal who then decided not to run but touch down. Normally kicking is sufficient to end knock on advantage (tactical).

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    you should at least attempt to provide a justification based in Law !
    All law elements in and around advantage which leave it at the referees judgement - so no, not possible to base it on a specific law - but you know that

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    I had one recently where there was a knock on prior to the goal line, which then went to touch in goal. I gave a 22 DO. Is this wrong and if so why?

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    you should at least attempt to provide a justification based in Law !
    Got lost in the rewrite which didnt change anything

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    All law elements in and around advantage which leave it at the referees judgement - so no, not possible to base it on a specific law - but you know that
    Just saying Law 12.11:
    Apart from at a kick-off or restart kick, if the ball is played or taken into in-goal by an attacking player and is made dead by an opponent, play is restarted with a 22-metre drop-out.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Knock on into the dead ball area.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    All law elements in and around advantage which leave it at the referees judgement - so no, not possible to base it on a specific law - but you know that
    The law has quite a lot to say about advantage .. and there is no concept of "too much advantage"

    Scenario :
    - Red knock on inside their own in goal
    - Blue touch down for a try

    Are you going back for a blue scrum, becasue a try is "way too much advantage" for a simple knock on ?

    Of course not . There is no such thing as "too much advantage"
    Last edited by crossref; 20-01-20 at 09:01.

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