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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    IMO smaller hands would deal better with a smaller ball. It would be an interesting study to see what the impact was on number of knock ons
    Easier to pass, I think, rather than easier to catch

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    In netball the ball is "680 to 710 millimetres (27 to 28 in) in circumference and weighs 397 to 454 grams (14.0 to 16.0 oz)."
    Rugby: 580-620 mm in circumference, weighs 410-460 grams.


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    Nothing about us, without us, I believe the saying goes.
    Or to put it another way, most of us on RRF are men past a certain age. In what way could our opinion matter on the subject concerning women under 35 years of age?
    However, precedent also urges caution about racing to assumptions that the game would simply improve with a smaller ball.

    It might mean a ball that is easier to handle for example, but this does not necessarily mean that, being lighter, the ball could be kicked or thrown further. The physics can get very complex but a lighter ball (a Size 5 ball is about 400gms, a size 4.5 might be 380gms) would have less inertia, thus making it harder to throw or kick the ball a long distance.

    Take women's cricket as an example to illustrate this. It has always used a 5oz ball, instead of 5.5oz in the men's game, because it allows the ball to be gripped better by bowlers.

    But, despite being 10% lighter, this does not make the ball easier to hit for sixes. If anything (though there are many many other variables) the reverse may be true. Cricket also suggests that even a maginally smaller ball behaves differently - it may spin more easily, for example.

    This suggests that the only way forward with this debate - which has been going on for a decade or more - would be a major pilot organised by World Rugby with transparent evidence and results.

    Like everything in life, the closer one looks at it, the more complex it appears.

    Where professionalism bumps up against amateurism comparisons are often defunct.
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    We should perhaps ask the Women what they would prefer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    [url=https://www.scrumqueens.com/news/should-women-play-smaller-ball]
    thanks for that. I had no idea that this was a long running debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    Or to put it another way, most of us on RRF are men past a certain age. In what way could our opinion matter on the subject concerning women under 35 years of age?
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    This suggests that the only way forward with this debate - which has been going on for a decade or more - would be a major pilot organised by World Rugby with transparent evidence and results. [/TEXTAREA]
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    Normally you have a trial in order to deal with a manifest problem.

    Is there such a thing that we're trying to cure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tim White View Post
    We should perhaps ask the Women what they would prefer?
    certainly. All stakeholders should be welcome to have input. Why would that be in doubt?

    I suspect that the line in the sand will be deciding what's "best for the game". We don't want to be treated differently vs. modifying for different physiologies.


    here's what a smaller ball does:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIobl3orQC0
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    It’s certainly a trending topic, as this podcast will confirm Small balls and thongs

    Related article Women’s Six Nations: Small balls and thongs. Right down your street Dickie?
    There’s no doubt in Touch Rugby ans Sevens the better handling will improve the game. The question remains will the reduced travel distance (when kicking and passing) create a problem in the 15 a side game on full sized pitches?
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    The question remains will the reduced travel distance (when kicking and passing)
    these blokes don't seem to have any problem with distance with a smaller ball

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPDFhlx2zj0

    Or do you think maybe they could have chucked it even further with a size 5 Gilbert?
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    Believe it, or not, an NFL ball is not only more aerodynamic, but also heavier than a Size 5 rugby ball. So my #13 still holds true, a lighter ball (size 4.5 =380g) has less inertia.
    NFL Law 2 Properly inflated, the weigh of an official NFL football is between 14 to 15 ounces (396 to 425 grams). weight of a nfl football in grams Official Weight. Players older than 12 years of age use size 5 balls,

    Tests surely wouldn’t take long to see whether the size 4 underperforms compared to the size 5. Design a standard test, distribute to all International squads and they take the time necessary to carry out all necessary measures. Collect results at the end of the season, and by this time next year we could all be a little wiser on the subject. But no, World Rugby isn’t interested in such endeavours.
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