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    Default Re: 22 Drop Out - Not taken properly

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Actually 12.12.c says there is a sanction

    12.16 tells you that you can play advantage

    But in the incident in the OP it wasn't clear that any red player ever actually attempted a kick, it seems like there was some misunderstanding or confusion .. so for me it was handled correctly
    In the context of that game, weather, score line, standards I would have won jobsworth of the day if I’d punished them, however I was wrong in law in my head at least. They all wanted to go home at this point

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    Default Re: 22 Drop Out - Not taken properly

    In almost any game I think
    They had a 22 they didn't actually take.... It's a massive thing to convert that into a scrum to the oppo, on the 22

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    Default Re: 22 Drop Out - Not taken properly

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Actually 12.12.c says there is a sanction

    12.16 tells you that you can play advantage

    But in the incident in the OP it wasn't clear that any red player ever actually attempted a kick, it seems like there was some misunderstanding or confusion .. so for me it was handled correctly
    12.12.c assumes a drop-kick was done (but failed to leave the 22m). The OP said it was a tap kick, which is why I referenced 12.1

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    Default Re: 22 Drop Out - Not taken properly

    what's interesting for me in this sceanario is the concept of 'intent'.

    If the Red captain had intended to take the drop out then an opposition scrum would be justified.

    However it appears that he didn't so a retake makes sense.

    But the actions of the receiving Red player then muddy the water.

    Consider this:
    a player with ball in hand shapes to take a quick throw-in. He decides against it, and nonchalantly tosses the ball to his hooker who is trotting up to the touchline. Has he taken the quick throw? I'd say 'no intent' and go with the lineout.

    BUT what if, having caught the ball, the hooker steams off towards the opposition goal line. Play on? There was no intent by the throwing player but the hooker has suddenly created that intent. Is that fair play?

    And if the throw to the hooker didn't go 5 metres ... just take the lineout or FK to opposition?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: 22 Drop Out - Not taken properly

    That's a new scenario and deserves a new thread

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    Default Re: 22 Drop Out - Not taken properly

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    That's a new scenario and deserves a new thread
    I offer it as a comparison only regarding 'intent'
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: 22 Drop Out - Not taken properly

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    I offer it as a comparison only regarding 'intent'
    One important consideration in both scenarios is the situation where someone is holding the ball, thinking the ball is dead, while an opponent is legitimately thinking the ball is live.

    Blow your whistle in that instance , that's dangerous

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    Default Re: 22 Drop Out - Not taken properly

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Consider this:
    a player with ball in hand shapes to take a quick throw-in. He decides against it, and nonchalantly tosses the ball to his hooker who is trotting up to the touchline. Has he taken the quick throw? I'd say 'no intent' and go with the lineout.

    BUT what if, having caught the ball, the hooker steams off towards the opposition goal line. Play on? There was no intent by the throwing player but the hooker has suddenly created that intent. Is that fair play?
    We've covered actual game footage of this albeit the underarm toss to the running player was a deliberate ploy...

    didds

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    One important consideration in both scenarios is the situation where someone is holding the ball, thinking the ball is dead, while an opponent is legitimately thinking the ball is live.

    Blow your whistle in that instance , that's dangerous
    and sometimes people don't hear the whistle and end up with the ball holder going to hospital.

    *sheepish*

    didds

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    Default Re: 22 Drop Out - Not taken properly

    I played in a game years ago where following the award of a 22 drop-out our hooker actually tackled the player who was running with the ball to take it quickly. Afterwards the hooker said he couldn't explain his actions but just saw the player running with the ball, had a complete brain fart and tackled him. The ball carrier obviously wasn't expecting the tackle and was hurt in the process although I seem to remember he stayed on the pitch. A bit of a melee ensued before the game was restarted.

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    Default Re: 22 Drop Out - Not taken properly

    Quote Originally Posted by Jz558 View Post
    ... A bit of a melee ensued before the game was restarted.
    sounds familiar...

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