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    Default Re: New Score Card design

    Quote Originally Posted by menace View Post
    Gotcha....kudos for you to make that effort to get what you need. Personally I havent got the time to worry about recording times and never have had the inclination (and I have the lucky luxury that most of my games are recorded so I can review them at liesure afterwards)
    To be honest with you, my card probably has more options for info that isn't necessary to record but, I started it in 2015 to this point.

    The reason I mention this is you're exactly correct - at this point, if something goes south on the pitch, their are at least five recordings of it.

    Seems like every team in the past two years has asked me to wear the GPS arm cuff to get the camera to follow me.

    Tons and tons of recording.

    THANK GOD also - I had an incident last year where the coaches tried to attack me while I was doing a ConCus test on one of their players! What a mess. NOT one second to pull my score card out to do anything - my job turned from ref to cop in seconds.

    Again, thank god for video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by menace View Post
    Indeed. No criticism from me. Time stats are not something I can or will record on the run.
    I use this score sheet...and just make stroke in the relevent box. I keep it minimal.

    Attachment 3982
    Mine is pretty close to this in terms of overall boxes of info to collect. I can see this being something someone can learn and use for their entire reffing life.

    One of my problems with the open field tic marks is they are two easy to make a mistake or draw outside the line. And, the Try and Conv are not connected.

    Once I got the idea to use one circle to record both a Try and a Conv (if awarded) in one space, it was an immense improvement in my accuracy and 'story telling' from the card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    So, what would it look like , with the same sequence number fnscores as post 22 ?
    Again, sorry for the delay in replaying to your specific question - this server was taking a dump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    THis is the graphic of our card:

    Attachment 3983
    Thin, very thin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Patrick, I think my brain works differently from yours !
    I am endlessly interested in other people systems , but in the end always come back to mine

    Two things I think are important

    - The sequence of scores (and
    the rough time is even better)

    - Positively recording a missed kick , so that looking back you can be certain it was a miss, and not a failure to record it
    Mine has a very specific sequence - one of the things i like about mine.

    Adding the approximate time - I have an idea how to do that. I'll try to put something up tomorrow ....

    And, if you look at mine, no second slash (cross) is 'no conv' - blank is positive. Yours doesn't have an indication that a Conv was attempted but not awarded. You just didn't add a '+ 2' after your '5'.

    Same thing but soooo much less writing and thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    ah, I have a facing page that shows some of that extra data, like names of captains , I will post that up as well.

    But I collect different data from you .. example i don't record who won the toss and the decision (don't think that is imptt) I do record who kicked off.

    My games are almost all unlimited interchanges, so I don't have to record them
    I know, I know - it's so stupid - I record the coin toss and kick v receive ONLY because I do 7's tournaments and after the first 2 or 3 matches, I can't remember AND most of the time, neither can the Captains - they're more tired then I am.

    Same for full 15's - sometimes the three of us (Captain, Captain and Sir) forgets how it all started 50 min ago...!
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    Default Re: New Score Card design

    I probably should have said this at the outset - I fully understand and appreciate the personal relationship we all have with these cards.

    Especially as we get older - nobody wants to look stupid because they can't find where to put down a mark for this or that.

    It's a tool and we all have our preference and, for good or bad, change is a bitch.

    I'm fascinated by the entire subject and love how Crossref asked me and someone else to fill their personal card out to a common script of events / scores.

    That might be a great idea for a thread all by itself.

    Layout the script and then have people put pictures up illustrating their five steps.

    This was Crossref's:
    Let's say red scored a converted try after 10 mins (assume and show first Try)
    Then at 15 mins blue score pK
    Then at 20 red score a try, miss the conversion

    Anyway, super interesting replies and such!

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    Except that I don't think we want the steps , just what does the card look like at the end

    (Because the key advantage of my layout is that you can see the steps built in !)

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    Default Re: New Score Card design

    A schematic for my sheet in a theoretical game - it's all handwritten in a blank lined notebook

    Code:
    20/2/20         RC Red            Blue RFC*
    14:31           T C     17'           DG  23'
                    T -     40'       T -     32'
                    ==============================
                         PG 72'       T C     41'
                                      T C     76'
                                      T -     79'
                    ==============================
                    15                  27
    
    
    
                    
                                      5 Off HI 17'
                    13 YC HT 74.15'
                                      
    Subs            111               11111 11
    Teams arranged on the starting sides according to the view from the clubhouse/stands/technical zone/whatever's obvious to me. The * is the team who kicks off. I note the time of kickoff just in case my watch explodes, my reserve watch is smashed, there's no pitchside clock etc.

    We do limited interchanges, so I keep a tally (never get close to the 12 allowed). That's the one time I feel short of time and want to minimise pencil strokes - between a score and a conversion/restart I'm good.

    I note that Blue 5 went off with a head injury so can't come back on (when red scored, I remember). 13 was YC'ed for a high tackle 74 minutes in (the first wide phase following the kickoff from their penalty goal) and blue used the man overlap to score two more in the closing minutes.

    - Who are the Captains/their positions?
    I talk to the captains before the match, and don't generally forget their names. It's on the team sheet if I need it post-match, and if I forget in-game it's a lot quicker to call "captain!" than to pull out my card and look it up.

    - Where did you play?

    I remember the matches, and I can always look it up with the date and the teams if I need to.

    - Who won the coin toss?
    Doesn't matter to me, what matters are the ends and who kicks off.

    - How do you keep track of how many subs have come on - there's a max of 8?
    Tally only

    - Who are you (where's your name and ID #)?
    If I get confused, I can look at the name tag in my shorts or ask a friendly policeman for help

    I really envy you guys with the filmed matches, I have to say.
    Last edited by Rich_NL; 20-02-20 at 12:02.

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    Rich NL you and I think alike !

    (on scorecard design )

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