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    Default Re: New Score Card design

    This is a reply from Crossref back on post #5:


    Step 1.
    Red scores a Try (5pts) (you didn't specifically state this but, can't convert from nothing so...):
    Demo Step 1 (Small).jpg

    Step 2. Red successfully kicks for Conversion (2pts)
    Demo Step 2 (Small).jpg

    Step 3. Blue scores a PK (Penalty Kick - 3pts)
    Demo Step 3 (Small).jpg

    Step 4. Red scores another Try (5pts) - this is what it would like like at this point:
    Demo Step 4 (Small).jpg

    Step 5. Assuming the match ended there, this would be how I would finalize the score card:
    Demo Step 5 (Small).jpg


    I don't track the times for an of it. I could though. Let me scratch something to show what that might look like - let me know if that's helpful.


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    Patrick, I think my brain works differently from yours !
    I am endlessly interested in other people systems , but in the end always come back to mine

    Two things I think are important

    - The sequence of scores (and
    the rough time is even better)

    - Positively recording a missed kick , so that looking back you can be certain it was a miss, and not a failure to record it

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    - The sequence of scores (and
    the rough time is even better)
    why is that important to you?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    why is that important to you?
    We had a go at this in posts 13 and 14

    - looking at my scorecard the narrative and structure of the game can be seen, so it's easier to recall each try and score

    - so in case anyone checks the score with me, rather than saying, for example "you scored four tries and converted three of them" I can say "you scored four tries, you missed the conversion for the third one, just before half time" and in saying that we will both recall the kick . So I think it's more useful

    - I can see the half time score (I draw a line)

    - and if there is any card I note the time, which in turn when I write my report I know the score at that time, without having to note it on pitch in the moment

    Generally speaking it seems to take no effort at all the write the time ..and have lots of benefits. Alternatively in my system because each score is a new line I can omit the time, and still have the sequence

    Here's my card, for easy comparison with Patrick's . I think mine is simpler , and conveys more information, more intuitively

    But I know everyone likes their own system



    Attachment 3981
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    why is that important to you?
    Some countries you have to, for example I reffed in Spain (well Catalunya to be precise) last year, and even at Junior level they record everything, eg subs, time, player number on / off, time scored (player number etc), so they don't have score cards at all, just sequential notes in the book, similar to Crossrefs - I've toyed with doing the same myself (albeit maybe less detail), but not convinced myself of the full benefit of it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    We had a go at this in posts 13 and 14

    - looking at my scorecard the narrative and structure of the game can be seen, so it's easier to recall each try and score

    - so in case anyone checks the score with me, rather than saying, for example "you scored four tries and converted three of them" I can say "you scored four tries, you missed the conversion for the third one, just before half time" and in saying that we will both recall the kick . So I think it's more useful

    - I can see the half time score (I draw a line)

    - and if there is any card I note the time, which in turn when I write my report I know the score at that time, without having to note it on pitch in the moment

    Generally speaking it seems to take no effort at all the write the time ..and have lots of benefits. Alternatively in my system because each score is a new line I can omit the time, and still have the sequence

    Here's my card, for easy comparison with Patrick's . I think mine is simpler , and conveys more information, more intuitively

    But I know everyone likes their own system



    Attachment 3981
    Come on - that's not a score card.

    Side by side:
    Demo Step 5 (Small).jpg Crossref's score card.jpg

    - Who are the Captains?
    - What are their number (positions)?
    - Where did you play?
    - Who won the coin toss?
    - What was the decision of the coin toss winner?
    - Where do you record Sub?
    - How do you keep track of how many subs have come on - there's a max of 8?
    - When did you play (date)?
    - Who are you (where's your name and ID #)?

    I usually put a vertical slash between points to indicate the end of a half but didn't on my sample.

    I'm being somewhat nit-picky but, you asked me to fill one out to your script and I did, blow by blow.

    I can glance at mine and know without ANY math how many Trys have been scored and I can say, in one glance how many Conversions there are - as in, to the Captain that might ask, I would glance down and say:
    ' Red, 2 Trys, 1 Conv, Blue, 1 PK' - without having to do any math - super quick.

    One of the big problems I have with the blank scrap of paper argument is, you sometimes miss recording something if there isn't a box prompting you to fill it in.

    Anyway, glad the site is back up. Guess I'll go back and reply to people's questions.

    I write more of a narrative on the back of the same page given Time is Off, I have time for that.
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    Default Re: New Score Card design

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Yes, go on, and I will show you what my scorecard would look like

    AIUI you do record missed conversion, that's a single line, rather than a cross, isn't it ?
    Exactly - 1 Slash = Try, 2 Slashes (Cross) = Try+Conv.
    Try v Try and Conv.jpg

    (Sorry about the delay with the full request to fill my card out - tons of server Errors on this site lately...)
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    Default Re: New Score Card design

    ah, I have a facing page that shows some of that extra data, like names of captains , I will post that up as well.

    But I collect different data from you .. example i don't record who won the toss and the decision (don't think that is imptt) I do record who kicked off.

    My games are almost all unlimited interchanges, so I don't have to record them

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