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    Default Re: New Score Card design

    I think you're missing it - or I don't exactly understand your question.

    You DON'T mark it when NO conversion is made.

    The Kick & Coin part - is that what you're also asking? This:
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    Mostly, just housekeeping - trying to have a simple way to record pertinent info.

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    I think I screwed that reply up - it was for me or in general - right?

    Why would I care about when a team doesn't score?

    Other then the question of when, do you want me to illustrate an answer to your question - happy to, let me know.

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    Default Re: New Score Card design

    Quote Originally Posted by menace View Post
    Genuine question. Why do you need to record the time of the score (try, PK, FG) or whether a goal kick missed (it doesnt score anything)??? Or do you do that for your own OCD reasons (to help justify your score at the end of the game should there be a dispute)?
    I keep times to help me remember the structure of the game, it helps me reflect post-match. And to show the score at the time of giving cards, in case - it's part of a sending-off report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by menace View Post
    Genuine question. Why do you need to record the time of the score (try, PK, FG) or whether a goal kick missed (it doesnt score anything)??? Or do you do that for your own OCD reasons (to help justify your score at the end of the game should there be a dispute)?
    I can't remember the last time I had a dispute (in the sense of someone thinking I had the score wrong) but yes, exactly, if anyone wants to check the score with me then knowing the sequence of scores, and the success/failure of each kick at goal definitely helps the narrative

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
    I think I screwed that reply up - it was for me or in general - right?

    Why would I care about when a team doesn't score?

    Other then the question of when, do you want me to illustrate an answer to your question - happy to, let me know.

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    Yes, go on, and I will show you what my scorecard would look like

    AIUI you do record missed conversion, that's a single line, rather than a cross, isn't it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    I keep times to help me remember the structure of the game, it helps me reflect post-match. And to show the score at the time of giving cards, in case - it's part of a sending-off report.
    Got it - I understand what and why you asked that.

    I do about 20-28 15's matches per season and another 30 7's for that season.

    I literally have no more time to collect more live data.

    I've dreamed about something that combines a watch and a running verbal memo system to do exactly what you mentioned but, again, for now, just dreamed about it.

    This is just to record the most specific info to get the match done. I've packed my score card with as many options to just circle, mark or check things so I don't have to write anything that will take my attention away or otherwise slow the match down.

    I tend to reflect and fret about decisions and outcomes on the drive home and most of all day Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I can't remember the last time I had a dispute (in the sense of someone thinking I had the score wrong) but yes, exactly, if anyone wants to check the score with me then knowing the sequence of scores, and the success/failure of each kick at goal definitely helps the narrative
    Exactly PLUS, in all collage and Club matches, I'm just one of at least three people keeping all that info. I've missed a slash or a conversion on occasion but it's ALWAYS been obvious to all when that happens - easy to fix and and move on.

    Not a concern for me either.
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    Default Re: New Score Card design

    I mark time because discipline reports want to know the score at the time of a card, and I find it easy.

    That scorecard is too complex.

    We have a simple one which across the x axis simply has Time, T, C, P, DG, Total.
    Back of the card is for marking discipline.
    Bottom is tracking replacements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Seriously, how does it work ?
    Let's say red scored a converted try after 10 mins
    Then at 15 mins blue score pK
    Then at 20 red score a try, miss the conversion

    What would the scorecard look like ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    I mark time because discipline reports want to know the score at the time of a card, and I find it easy.

    That scorecard is too complex.

    We have a simple one which across the x axis simply has Time, T, C, P, DG, Total.
    Back of the card is for marking discipline.
    Bottom is tracking replacements.
    Come on - really - that's your comment.

    I can turn all the soft gray reminders of what goes where off if you need a clearer view but seriously, we give this card to new refs because it infinitely easier to learn how to score a match then using shorthand as you suggest.

    What's more complex - one slash mark or making a mark then having to add a T or C or P or DG, etc. to indicate what it's for.

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