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    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    Sorry for confusion.
    The point I’m trying to make is that the release of bind was the result of the force of the drive and not something done intentionally to get out of trouble. For this reason I don’t see why we should ‘double whammy’ a team. Also several players had their bind broken so why pick on one.

    Well I do agree that if you can't ID a specific player you shouldn't issue a YC .. .so that is your out

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    didds .. it's 8.3 it's always a card
    ???????????

    8.3 A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts if foul play by the opposing team

    Law 9 outlines foul play.

    And a simple offside is not necessarily deliberate - it can just be crap timing
    9.7.A player must not:
    a. Intentionally infringe any law of the game.

    nor may it be repeated - it could be the first 10 seocnds of the game and no previous infringemebnts occurred

    9.8
    A team must not repeatedly commit the same offence.
    A player must not repeatedly infringe the laws.

    A simple offside is not fdangrous play (9.11 onwards)

    In short I can see a not unlikely scenario of an early OFFSIDE resulting in a PT (beam me up scotty etc ) that is nothing like FOUL PLAY . The card scenario in law 8 specvifically satys its for foul play.

    So Id suggest oit is NOT just a cdard for every PT no matter what.

    I dont suppose I have any support. I also get OB's point about forensic exa ination of the workding of the alws. But I think the above is a very simple approach to the what the alws SAY.

    hey ho.
    I remain unconvinced the laws mean every PT is a card. ASs not every PT is foul play

    didds

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    Well by 8.3
    .. if it's not foul play , it's not a PT
    .. if it is a PT it's also a YC

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Well by 8.3
    .. if it's not foul play , it's not a PT
    Red attacking hard into blue 22, about 10m out. First minute, no stoppages, no advantage. open play.

    Ruck develops.

    BIG blindside - one red attacker (A) , one blue defender(D) in that Blind side well away from the ruck area.

    A is running forward hard, B creeps offside but not deliberately ruck - pass to A and D closes from offside position and just ankle taps red who knocks on into touch. No other defenders anywhere near.

    Off side prevented a probably try especially under "beam me up"
    That's a nailed on PT - a PK offense prevented a try.

    But it ain't foul play.

    didds

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    Default Re: YC/RD

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    ???????????

    8.3 A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts if foul play by the opposing team

    Law 9 outlines foul play.

    And a simple offside is not necessarily deliberate - it can just be crap timing
    9.7.A player must not:
    a. Intentionally infringe any law of the game.

    nor may it be repeated - it could be the first 10 seocnds of the game and no previous infringemebnts occurred

    9.8
    A team must not repeatedly commit the same offence.
    A player must not repeatedly infringe the laws.

    A simple offside is not fdangrous play (9.11 onwards)

    In short I can see a not unlikely scenario of an early OFFSIDE resulting in a PT (beam me up scotty etc ) that is nothing like FOUL PLAY . The card scenario in law 8 specvifically satys its for foul play.

    So Id suggest oit is NOT just a cdard for every PT no matter what.

    I dont suppose I have any support. I also get OB's point about forensic exa ination of the workding of the alws. But I think the above is a very simple approach to the what the alws SAY.

    hey ho.
    I remain unconvinced the laws mean every PT is a card. ASs not every PT is foul play

    didds
    Yes you do. Read my posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Red attacking hard into blue 22, about 10m out. First minute, no stoppages, no advantage. open play.

    Ruck develops.

    BIG blindside - one red attacker (A) , one blue defender(D) in that Blind side well away from the ruck area.

    A is running forward hard, B creeps offside but not deliberately ruck - pass to A and D closes from offside position and just ankle taps red who knocks on into touch. No other defenders anywhere near.

    Off side prevented a probably try especially under "beam me up"
    That's a nailed on PT - a PK offense prevented a try.

    But it ain't foul play.

    didds
    It's an edge case whichever way you look at it , did you signal the offside advantage ?
    Sounds like a PT. So also YC

    Look it's possible to construct an edge case that tests the Law , but the principle indeed the Law is .. PT = YC
    Last edited by crossref; 06-03-20 at 19:03.

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    Default Re: YC/RD

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    It's an edge case whichever way you look at it , did you signal the offside advantage ?
    Sounds like a PT. So also YC

    Look it's possible to construct an edge case that tests the Law , but the principle indeed the Law is .. PT = YC
    The Ruling quoted in #22 acually lists some edge cases
    If a penalty try is awarded as the result of a player unintentionally offending, the player, as well as being liable to cautioning and temporary suspension or send off, can be admonished by the referee.

    Examples of this may be after penalty tries resulting from:
    • mistimed tackle (early or late, but not dangerous)
    • unintentional reactionary high tackle, but not dangerous.

    ("reactionary"? = "
    opposing political or social progress or reform." )
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    I read that particular post as implying you can have a PT where you do not have to award a YC.

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    Default Re: YC/RD

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Red attacking hard into blue 22, about 10m out. First minute, no stoppages, no advantage. open play.

    Ruck develops.

    BIG blindside - one red attacker (A) , one blue defender(D) in that Blind side well away from the ruck area.

    A is running forward hard, B creeps offside but not deliberately ruck - pass to A and D closes from offside position and just ankle taps red who knocks on into touch. No other defenders anywhere near.

    Off side prevented a probably try especially under "beam me up"
    That's a nailed on PT - a PK offense prevented a try.

    But it ain't foul play.

    didds
    If there is no FP there can be no PT, let alone a nailed on one.

    There needs to be a FP that prevented a probable try to be a PT, not any old garden variety PK.

    PK only
    Last edited by thepercy; 06-03-20 at 20:03.

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    Default Re: YC/RD

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    Cheers Marc.

    card it is. As long as its foul play and not e.g. offside presumably.

    didds
    It would have to include FP (which could include intentional offside butt not offside per see).

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