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    Quote Originally Posted by Verity View Post
    To be honest I can't really remember- in my post match notes I noted that a TJ had question a throw forward and I had given a penalty rather than a scrum as I deemed it deliberate as it was the third in as many minutes. Obv, it was the losing team that complained. This is my third season and it's a level 11 game but it clearly rattled someone's feathers.
    You mean you initially gave a scrum, the TJ then offered the opinion that it was deliberate, and so you changed to a PK ?

    I think the oppo would be justified in being miffed about that.

    Or you gave a PK, the TJ said it was a scrum and you ignored him ? That would perfectly proper

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Your thirdParagraph cotradicts the first.


    At lower levels you have home and away TJs. Asking the home team's AR what happened at a foul play situation is fraught with danger.

    Paragraph 3 is spot on. "Thanks for that TJ but I can only go on whay I see."
    Paragraph one is about requesting information if, say, you were unsighted. Para 3 is about giving TJs the power to intervene.

    But for clarity, I'd not rely on TJs for my decisions

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    No I mean I gave two scrums then a penalty and the TJ of the team in question gave me a hard time about it. The penalty stood and I did not change my mind and I still stand by the decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verity View Post
    No I mean I gave two scrums then a penalty and the TJ of the team in question gave me a hard time about it. The penalty stood and I did not change my mind and I still stand by the decision.
    In which case I am not sure what was the nature of their complaint ? Were they complaining that you didn't listen to the TJ ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verity View Post
    No I mean I gave two scrums then a penalty and the TJ of the team in question gave me a hard time about it. The penalty stood and I did not change my mind and I still stand by the decision.
    And this is the point I’d be strongly considering removing the flag and giving it to someone else. I know club TJs will have loyalty etc. but if they start to challenge my decisions they can’t continue in this role.

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    That is pretty much my point. It seems like such an odd thing to complain about. I don't think there was an issue so what do they gain by griping to the society, they must know there is nothing really to solve? Just wanted to check it wasn't me having a brain sneeze! Thanks for all the feedback, people!

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    I am still unclear what happened

    They complained because you wouldn't listen to the TJ ?

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    Default Re: conferring

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    Paragraph one is about requesting information if, say, you were unsighted. Para 3 is about giving TJs the power to intervene.

    But for clarity, I'd not rely on TJs for my decisions
    What clarification could an "interested " TJ give you if you were unsighted that did not impact on a decision? Other than the powers that a TJ has by definition?

    For example, are you suggesting you'd ask either TJ to confirm grounding for a try where you were unsighted?

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    It is remarkably petty (and somewhat abusive) for a club to complain about a specific referee at a Level 11 match over one such issue. I would expect full support from your Society, even if some education arose out of it.

    The club could by all means ask a general question if such conduct observed in a recent match was appropriate, enabling the society to conduct any required group education.
    Be reasonable - do it my way.

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    Sounds very petty especially at L11, you might want to consider wether you want to give up your free time refereeing them again.
    Ciaran Trainor

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