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    I have recently had an e-mail complaint into my society because I conferred with a touch judge during a match. I think the wording was 'seeking confirmation'.
    My advisor doesn't seem concerned but I was under the impression that if I am unsure I am allowed to seek clarification from my TJ as long as I ask and the TJ doesn't proffer advice when not asked. The laws say assistant referee but should I be losing sleep over this. IT seems an odd thing for a team to have a grumble about? Any thoughts please.

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    What were you conferring about ?

    If it was touch , or whether a kick went over , that is fine .

    If you conferred about anything else that would be a problem

    A TJ is not the same thing as an AR

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    What were you conferring about ?

    If it was touch , or whether a kick went over , that is fine .

    If you conferred about anything else that would be a problem

    A TJ is not the same thing as an AR

    Rubbish!

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    Default Re: conferring

    What does the good book say Verity?



    INTERACTION BETWEEN THE REFEREE AND ASSISTANT REFEREES / TOUCH JUDGES
    13. The referee may consult with assistant referees about matters relating to their duties,
    the law relating to foul play and timekeeping, and may request assistance related to
    other aspects of the referee’s duties.


    So you can ask an ASSISTANT REFEREE just about anything to do with a game.

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    INTERACTION BETWEEN THE REFEREE AND ASSISTANT REFEREES / TOUCH JUDGES

    14. The referee may alter a decision after a touch judge or an assistant referee has raised the
    flag to signal touch, touch-in-goal or an assistant referee has signalled foul play.


    A TOUCH JUDGE is not the the same beast. You may consult with regard to THEIR DUTIES. Duties which are limited to judging touch.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Decorily View Post
    Rubbish!
    Why is that rubbish ??

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    Depends a bit on the level. Touch judges aren't ARs, and *should* only rule on going into touch and whether conversions are good, and aren't expected to give impartial advice like an AR. At lower levels though it can be better to ask for confirmation and get the right call than guess.

    It's not something to worry about, really. At worst, it's a learning point about what your society expects!

    I sometimes have TJs who offer to help out with blindsides, foul play etc, and I thank them very much but explain that it can cause complaints of partiality etc, so to restrict themselves to their TJ duties.
    Last edited by Rich_NL; 09-03-20 at 09:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    Depends a bit on the level. Touch judges aren't ARs, and *should* only rule on going into touch and whether conversions are good, and aren't expected to give impartial advice like an AR. At lower levels though it can be better to ask for confirmation and get the right call than guess.

    It's not something to worry about, really. At worst, it's a learning point about what your society expects!

    I sometimes have TJs who offer to help out with blindsides, foul play etc, and I thank them very much but explain that it can cause complaints of partiality etc, so to restrict themselves to their TJ duties.
    Your thirdParagraph cotradicts the first.


    At lower levels you have home and away TJs. Asking the home team's AR what happened at a foul play situation is fraught with danger.

    Paragraph 3 is spot on. "Thanks for that TJ but I can only go on whay I see."

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    We really need the op to state what was being consulted on. If a matter of touch then I see no problem, if it relates to anything else (potential foul play, offside etc.) then I can see why it would be challenged, however taking it to a complaint letter seems a bit much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebra1922 View Post
    We really need the op to state what was being consulted on. If a matter of touch then I see no problem, if it relates to anything else (potential foul play, offside etc.) then I can see why it would be challenged, however taking it to a complaint letter seems a bit much.
    Depends what it was ! And what action was taken by the OP following the consultation?

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    To be honest I can't really remember- in my post match notes I noted that a TJ had question a throw forward and I had given a penalty rather than a scrum as I deemed it deliberate as it was the third in as many minutes. Obv, it was the losing team that complained. This is my third season and it's a level 11 game but it clearly rattled someone's feathers.

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