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    Default England Women vs Wales Women - player off feet playing ball

    Was watching England women against Wales at the weekend.

    Kick ahead by white finds space, red 15 makes a bit of a hash at trying to gather it and ends up off feet. White 14 arrives, and stays on her feet. To my mind, red 15 gathers the ball whilst off her feet preventing white 14 from playing it (contrary to law 13.3). Even if we allow that red 15 ended up with the ball legally whilst off her feet, she then clings on (contrary to law 13.1) - to the extent white 14 (on her feet) is lifting ball and torso of red 15 (off her feet) off the floor. Two other red players arrive, and force white 14/red 15 into touch.

    Ref / assistant ref have brief confab (sadly drowned out by commentators) and award a line-out to white.

    Watching with admittedly white-tinted glasses, I am still unclear how it wasn't a penalty to white. Did the other welsh players force everyone into touch fast enough for it to be deemed immaterial? Or am I wrong somewhere in my analysis?

    https://youtu.be/TX43j8Q2DUA?t=4506

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    Default Re: England Women vs Wales Women - player off feet playing ball

    that a PK, and in that positiuon p[ossibly also a YC. There is nobody home if England have the ball. I'm not calling a PT, buit there is significant advantage availale to be acrrued with white possession at that juncture.


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    Sympathetic refereeing?

    Women against girls. PK and possible YC normally.

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    so the ref iwas "evening up" the game?

    at international level?

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    Default Re: England Women vs Wales Women - player off feet playing ball

    With red-tinted specs, that’s a penalty. Definitely not a PT. Maybe a YC - could accept either way, depending on wider tone of the match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    so the ref iwas "evening up" the game?

    at international level?

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    I don't know hense the use of question. I 'd say, in view of the massive gulf in class between the two some sympathy might be in evidence.

    Sadly the Welsh women's game is a very long way behind "interntional standard".

    Did they have TMO facilities. From the ref and the ARs angle the playing on the ground may not have been C & O. For a TMO it would have been very obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post

    Did they have TMO facilities. From the ref and the ARs angle the playing on the ground may not have been C & O. For a TMO it would have been very obvious.
    I get your point Marc, but we've all seen it, and called it, in real time.

    TBH Id expect something as balatnt as that to be called at level 8 (if not all levels!)

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    Default Re: England Women vs Wales Women - player off feet playing ball

    Video not available for me, but PK and it sounds like a good chance of YC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    I don't know hense the use of question. I 'd say, in view of the massive gulf in class between the two some sympathy might be in evidence.

    Sadly the Welsh women's game is a very long way behind "interntional standard".

    Did they have TMO facilities. From the ref and the ARs angle the playing on the ground may not have been C & O. For a TMO it would have been very obvious.
    There was TMO, although the only time I can recall him being involved was in the penalty try awarded to Wales in the 2nd half along with a yellow card to an England player for an early tackle - and (whilst it was at the more obvious end of the spectrum) the referee Amber McLachlan reached that decision herself off the back of one replay without need for any guidance - and since I've been implicitly critical of her by drawing attention to the first incident, it's only fair to say I thought she handled the penalty try very well.

    Penalty try incident: https://youtu.be/TX43j8Q2DUA?t=7017

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    I get your point Marc, but we've all seen it, and called it, in real time.

    TBH Id expect something as balatnt as that to be called at level 8 (if not all levels!)

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    Our angle, on TV, is not necessarily the same as that the referee and AR had.

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