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    Default Eng v Wal: Courtney Lawes charged for making a dangerous tackle

    What do people think?

    To me it looks pretty much nailed on RC from the two stills they published in the Telegraph (though stills are always dangerous to judge from).

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-un...ourtney-lawes/

    Looks like he was leading with the shoulder to the head with no arms.

    Game time 65:35.

    Can anyone manage to post the stills or find a video? I can't link the images ("Invalid File") and I've run out of my quota to upload them from my computer

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    Default Re: Eng v Wal: Courtney Lawes charged for making a dangerous tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by belladonna View Post
    What do people think?

    To me it looks pretty much nailed on RC from the two stills they published in the Telegraph (though stills are always dangerous to judge from).

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-un...ourtney-lawes/

    Looks like he was leading with the shoulder to the head with no arms.

    Game time 65:35.

    Can anyone manage to post the stills or find a video? I can't link the images ("Invalid File") and I've run out of my quota to upload them from my computer
    https://youtu.be/R_8D9c7d1dc?t=5164

    Leading with shoulder
    Direct contact with the head
    With force


    Not alot to mitigate either. AWJ was dropping, but has dropped slightly lower than level with the Lawes' shoulder. Could have been a lot worse for AWJ
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    Default Re: Eng v Wal: Courtney Lawes charged for making a dangerous tackle

    I wouldnt have been surprised to see a red here.
    It is worth pausing for a second , though, to see if there WAS some mitigation.
    I could equally believe a ref who said "He was dropped from the first tackle" hence YC.
    Actually, I'm not sure myself.
    I paste here, the words from that framework :


    Mitigating factors
    (must be clear and obvious and can only be applied to reduce a sanction by 1 level)
    Tackler makes a definite attempt to change height in an effort to avoid ball carrier’s head
    BC suddenly drops in height (e.g. From earlier tackle, trips/falls, dives to score)
    Tackler is unsighted prior to contact
    “Reactionary” tackle, immediate release
    Head contact is indirect (starts elsewhere on the body and then slips or moves up resulting in minor contact to the BC’s head or neck)

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    Default Re: Eng v Wal: Courtney Lawes charged for making a dangerous tackle

    I thought at the time yellow, as AWJ dropped. Watching again, I'm not sure - a card of either colour wouldn't surprise me.

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    It's not a tackle it is an illegal shoulder charge. RED!

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    Default Re: Eng v Wal: Courtney Lawes charged for making a dangerous tackle

    Lawes draws back his left arm immediately before contact. As soon as he does that, he's in trouble - it guarantees the hit will be shoulder-first, with virtually no likelihood of completing a wrap.
    If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you... you must be a rugby referee!

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    Default Re: Eng v Wal: Courtney Lawes charged for making a dangerous tackle

    Sends out the wrong message for me. As does the fFrench prop's ban. It seems professionals are being held to lower standards that community players.

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    Default Re: Eng v Wal: Courtney Lawes charged for making a dangerous tackle

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Sends out the wrong message for me. As does the fFrench prop's ban. It seems professionals are being held to lower standards that community players.
    Agree totally, and I can't see what the difference is between the Tuilagi RC and this one - both led with the shoulder with no attempt to wrap/join, so no mitigation was taken into account. And the disciplinary upheld Tuilagi's RC, so... Bit baffled, tbh.

    What did the French #3 get?

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