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    Historical evidence makes it pretty certain that WWE did not convert Rugby football from a kicking game to a handling one, but he is nonetheless a Person Of Interest, so I have been searching the relevant nineteenth censuses for more information about him. No luck at all!

    We know from other sources that in 1841 he was Chaplain of St George's Albemarle Street, London; 1851 he was Rector of St Clement Dane's in the Strand; 1861 he was Rector of St Mary's Magdalen Laver in Essex. He was in the latter post from 1855 to 1870 and it is presumed that he then left for France for health reasons, since he died in Menton in 1872.

    Magdalen Laver was a fairly small place in 1861, so I trawled through the census returns for the whole village - 214 people in 42 houses. Living in The Old rectory was Thomas Robinson, occupation: Curate of Magdalen Laver. No mention of a house called The Rectory, nor of anyone identified as the Rector.

    WWE might well have been elsewhere on the relevant census night, so I checked local villages - the current incumbent serves several benefices, so I started checking them as well. This turned up Rectors of Fyfield, Moreton, Willingale Spain, Matching, High Laver (plus a curate), Little Laver, Abbotts Roothing, and Bobbingworth.

    I did find a few families called Ellis, but it is a fairly common name and almost certainly coincidental.

    Crockfords Clerical Directory only started in 1968 and the Lambeth Palace Library gave only one brief reference confirming WWE's dates 1806-72. The Library is closed at present (due to moves that started before the lockdown.

    Ian Fleming wrote
    Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.

    Does that apply to missing three consecutive censuses?!


    Anyone have any bright ideas for further research?
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    is there any verifiable clai to anybody being a descendant of WWE that coud be approached?

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    is there any verifiable clai to anybody being a descendant of WWE that coud be approached?
    He never married.

    He had an older brother, Thomas, who also attended Rugby School, but I can't find him.

    According to Jennifer Macrory's "Running with the Ball", his widowed mother Ann Ellis came to live with him while he was Rector at St Clement Dane's, but I can't find her either. She died while he was there and he put up a memorial to her, part of which Macrory quotes, but Wikipedia does not find it. The memorial was destroyed when the church was bombed in the war.

    Very frustrating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post

    Anyone have any bright ideas for further research?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
    arrest records

    passport/visa records

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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    He never married.
    That used to have a very particular meaning in the Daily Telegraph obituaries.
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    I've just (re)discovered the Westminster Rate Books. Rev William Webb Ellis lived at 9 Milford Lane, St Clement Danes from 1840 to 1850, which doesn't fit with the date he arrived in Magdalen Laver (1855) according to their records.

    Unfortunately I haven't yet figured out how to search by address in the census records.
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    Hi OB, my 86 year old Devonian mother in law wanted to find out about her and her (deceased) husband's ancestors.

    I used ancestry.co.uk free 14 day trial and got quite far back before having to start paying monthly subscription. I used for 12 months and managed to get back to 15th Century on her side.

    The search engine works in the background and pops up "leaves" which are possible links.

    Another suggested free database is the National Archives. Enjoy, I found it fascinating.

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    We do know he played cricket.

    He was in Oxford team for the first Varsity match scoring 12 bowled by the Cambridge captain Jenner.
    Oxford made 258 before Charles Wordsworth (William' nephew) ran through Cambridge with his spin - Cambridge were all out for 92.
    Fortunately rain prevented play on the second day, so Cambridge escaped with a draw.

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    Should have said batting at number three for Oxford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonSmith View Post
    That used to have a very particular meaning in the Daily Telegraph obituaries.
    You mean?

    He has brass button on the back of his cap?
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