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    Default Re: Enforcement of current law - refereeing at the breakdown March 2020

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    Other arriving players (Law 15): 5 – An arriving player must be on their feet and join from behind their offside line. 6 – A player may join alongside but not in front of the hindmost player. 10 – Possession may be won either by rucking or by pushing the opposing team off the ball



    Is very loosely applied curently. WE (WRU) are told that the serior guy have a much wider gate directive from their rulers. The gate needs t obe narrowed not "curved".

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    Default Re: Enforcement of current law - refereeing at the breakdown March 2020

    The law I’d like to see enforced is players was endeavour to stay on their feet. No collapsing rucks, crocodile roles etc. Focus on that and rucks will be cleaner and a true contest for the ball.

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    Default Re: Enforcement of current law - refereeing at the breakdown March 2020

    well - stuff like crocoile rolls only exist bevause players have been allowed to fliop everywhere and seal off . IF players HAD to basically saty on their feet and push (planes taking off) then crodile rols etc may well just disappear

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    Default Re: Enforcement of current law - refereeing at the breakdown March 2020

    I think it means that just because they get pushed off the ball, they will win a penalty if they were in a good position lifting the ball (because if the lose the ball by "not surviving the contact" then it must mean someone was holding on)

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    Default Re: Enforcement of current law - refereeing at the breakdown March 2020

    Unless they are pulling the ball into the tackled player's body to win a PL for not releasing. For example near their own goal-line so a nice relieving PK is the result.

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    Default Re: Enforcement of current law - refereeing at the breakdown March 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Unless they are pulling the ball into the tackled player's body to win a PL for not releasing. For example near their own goal-line so a nice relieving PK is the result.
    That makes it important to try to get into a position where you can see if the tackled player has released the ball.
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    Default Re: Enforcement of current law - refereeing at the breakdown March 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    That makes it important to try to get into a position where you can see if the tackled player has released the ball.
    Of course, I was just pointing out Treadmore's point was possibly a little naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    That makes it important to try to get into a position where you can see if the tackled player has released the ball.
    Up until now we had a convenient and accurate (IMO) telltale to determine if the jackler was (a) in a strong position, and (b) had a solid grasp of the ball. That telltale was the "did he survive the clean out".

    By the stroke of a pen that telltale has been removed making managing the breakdown more referee-subjective & therefore error prone.

    No wonder players & spectators haven't got a clue what's going on.
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    Default Re: Enforcement of current law - refereeing at the breakdown March 2020

    I think the jackler can have a strong grasp on the ball and not survive the clear out. If the Ball carrier also has a strong grasp for instance. I can't say surviving the clear out is proof of (b). It is a fair (in general) indication of (a)

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    Default Re: Enforcement of current law - refereeing at the breakdown March 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Up until now we had a convenient and accurate (IMO) telltale to determine if the jackler was (a) in a strong position, and (b) had a solid grasp of the ball. That telltale was the "did he survive the clean out".

    By the stroke of a pen that telltale has been removed making managing the breakdown more referee-subjective & therefore error prone.

    No wonder players & spectators haven't got a clue what's going on.
    You presuppose that (a) also means legal. I could argue the two are diametrically opposed. Bearing weight on feet and hands on ball would make it exceptionally unlikely you survive a clean out.
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