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    Default Re: a few new boy questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Shelflife View Post
    If you YC a red hooker and at their next line out 2 mins later they are about to bring on their sub hooker, do you as a ref explain to them that any change they make here is a tactical substitution and not a safety substitution and that they wont be able to reverse it when the YC is over, or do you let them make their change and not inform them of their possible error.

    Why would we not tell them? Failing to do so just smells of a gotcha.

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    Fair point Marc, but by giving them tactical advise are you helping them ?
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    It's not tactical advice. You are advising them on law.

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    If they ask a question I've no problem answering it.

    My point was more do you actively go to them and tell them that substitution is not reversible ?

    In the same way if a team has a free kick outside the 22m and are clearly about to try to kick directly to touch, do you tell them that there will be no gain in ground if they do that ?
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    Default Re: a few new boy questions

    Of course it matters not if you are playing interchanges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post
    Of course it matters not if you are playing interchanges.
    Over here we have 12 interchanges and in some tournaments we would have only 5 or 7 subs allowed.

    Just curious as to what people think, part of me says you should clarify it at the time as you know it will come back to bite you later, part of me says say nothing because by interfering you are effectively giving advice that will benefit a team.
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    Default Re: a few new boy questions

    "So, skip, you're making a permanent change right now. Injury or tactical?"

    "Huh? You just sent the hooker away, we need a FR replacement"

    "Yes, at a scrum if that becomes necessary. We aren't there yet"

    Is how the conversation goes. The minute you check on why the change is being made, the conversation opens up.
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    Default Re: a few new boy questions

    fair enough if it crops up that way Simon.

    What normally happens with us.

    Blows whistle for lineout.

    Coach shouts Ref sub, ref sub from the sideline.

    I give him a thumbs up.

    Substitution is made, we carry on. Unless theres clearly an injury its taken as a tactical sub.
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    Default Re: a few new boy questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Shelflife View Post
    If they ask a question I've no problem answering it.

    My point was more do you actively go to them and tell them that substitution is not reversible ?

    In the same way if a team has a free kick outside the 22m and are clearly about to try to kick directly to touch, do you tell them that there will be no gain in ground if they do that ?
    Different things. I'd do the first not the second.
    One point is that different competitions allow different numbers of subs or they allow rolling subs. That is not easy t okeep up wit hfor players or coaches. The laws of play are set in stone so ignorance is no excuse. I'd no more tell a kicker that there is no gain in ground fro ma free kick into touch than tell a player not to throw a forward pass.

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    Default Re: a few new boy questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Shelflife View Post
    If they ask a question I've no problem answering it.

    My point was more do you actively go to them and tell them that substitution is not reversible ?

    In the same way if a team has a free kick outside the 22m and are clearly about to try to kick directly to touch, do you tell them that there will be no gain in ground if they do that ?
    A couple of years ago there was considerable confusion over quite when the ball was out of a ruck. Some argued that one hand on was enough,whereas others said it had to be lifted (clear?). Under those circumstances it made sense for the referee to tell the players in his pre-match brief which interpretation he would be using.

    The same applies to #8 picking up at uncontested scrums, though since it is a rare occurrence, that is probably best done if the situation arises rather than in a preliminary briefing.
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