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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    that's very kind of you woody. Frankly if they dont know something as simple as that then they deserve to end up not doing it.

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    simple yes but there seems to be a myth in circulation that it can't happen so I rather head off any issues early by clarifying. That, and my sunny & helpful disposition of course...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodyOne View Post
    simple yes but there seems to be a myth in circulation that it can't happen so I rather head off any issues early by clarifying. That, and my sunny & helpful disposition of course...
    That myth allegedly care of London Society waaayyyyy back
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    This is where you need to be careful. No pick up by the 8 at an uncontested scrum is not a myth here in Wales. It is law. So I'd be careful labeling it a myth at all. It is true, or not, depending on local regulations.

    That is why a lot of questions and answers need to be given in context of: Age group, Country, Variation etc. Our "myth" is your Truth and vice verca.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    This is where you need to be careful. No pick up by the 8 at an uncontested scrum is not a myth here in Wales. It is law. .
    well, technically it's a direction from the WRU. WRU can't write Law variations (except for age grade of course, and WR may agree trials)

    I think that either way it's a very good idea to clarify the situation with both teams, at the first uncontested scrum. The misunderstanding is widespread, even among referees. Much better to talk about the possibility of a pickup then, rather than after it has happened. Don't forget: their last ref might well have reffed it differently from how you are about to...
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    Fair points CR

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    well, technically it's a direction from the WRU. WRU can't write Law variations (except for age grade of course, and WR may agree trials)

    I think that either way it's a very good idea to clarify the situation with both teams, at the first uncontested scrum. The misunderstanding is widespread, even among referees. Much better to talk about the possibility of a pickup then, rather than after it has happened. Don't forget: their last ref might well have reffed it differently from how you are about to...
    It used to be a "thing" in London, so always worth clarifying - as CR says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post
    It used to be a "thing" in London, so always worth clarifying - as CR says.
    especially if the first uncontested scrum is attacking, 5m out, as you know what's likely to happen ...

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    If you YC a red hooker and at their next line out 2 mins later they are about to bring on their sub hooker, do you as a ref explain to them that any change they make here is a tactical substitution and not a safety substitution and that they wont be able to reverse it when the YC is over, or do you let them make their change and not inform them of their possible error.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelflife View Post
    If you YC a red hooker and at their next line out 2 mins later they are about to bring on their sub hooker, do you as a ref explain to them that any change they make here is a tactical substitution and not a safety substitution and that they wont be able to reverse it when the YC is over, or do you let them make their change and not inform them of their possible error.
    in my games they have unlimited interchanges so it doesn't matter.
    in games where it does matter, i dunno, if I am in a position where I am getting out my book and writing down each change, then yes I thik for every change I would be confirming the reason as part of that process.

    if someone else is maanging subs, then someone else is managing subs.


    But I think this is different nature : this is not an area where some refs apply one law and other refs apply another.
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    Default Re: a few new boy questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Shelflife View Post
    If you YC a red hooker and at their next line out 2 mins later they are about to bring on their sub hooker, do you as a ref explain to them that any change they make here is a tactical substitution and not a safety substitution and that they wont be able to reverse it when the YC is over, or do you let them make their change and not inform them of their possible error.
    The few times that it has happened I have always made sure they know that the change would be permanent.

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