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    Default Re: new boy questions round 3

    Assistant referees! I'm lucky if I get them once a season.
    Personally I mark the defending Line for 2 reasons.
    1. Attacking teams are unlikely to want to close the gap themselves so they can set the gap when they approach..
    If the gap starts to close you can use the Ask, tell , penalise routine to try to get compliance from the defending team who will be the more likely to offend. Standing at the front for the first few lineouts when you are on your own is always the best strategy.

    2. much more importantly, you will piss off the volunteer groundsman who is likely to be at the game for most clubs by marking two or three lines on his pitch with your studs!
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    Default Re: new boy questions round 3

    your assumption on 18.11 18 is correct.
    When you see 2 from each team at the line, call Line is formed then they can't throw a quick one.
    Remember if a kick chaser runs up to the line of touch and shouts I've marked it sir, it doesn't mean a thing and the quick one can still be taken if the player who retrieves the ball is in possession.
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    Default Re: new boy questions round 3

    Quote Originally Posted by ctrainor View Post
    When you see 2 from each team at the line, call Line is formed then they can't throw a quick one.

    being pedantic, purely to help a newcomer to the boards etc (Hiya!!)

    - what ctrainor means is once there 2 from each side tec there

    - a QUICK THROW-IN cannot be taken
    - the throw INTO THE LINEOUT can be taken at any time - including "quickly" eg when everyone is still fraffing about.

    Im sure somebody can word that better than I can!


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    Default Re: new boy questions round 3

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    being pedantic, purely to help a newcomer to the boards etc (Hiya!!)

    - what ctrainor means is once there 2 from each side tec there

    - a QUICK THROW-IN cannot be taken
    - the throw INTO THE LINEOUT can be taken at any time - including "quickly" eg when everyone is still fraffing about.

    Im sure somebody can word that better than I can!


    didds
    Although before the Laws were (ahem) "simplified and not rewritten" there was a paragraph that stated all players approaching the line of touch (LoT) were deemed to be participating players.

    For simplicity though, treat is two from each team at the LoT
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    Default Re: new boy questions round 3

    I mark the non-throwing sides line. I tell the throwing side to set the gap (don't take the mick) if they stand too close so the have no gap that is their problem.

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    Default Re: new boy questions round 3

    Welcome to the forum.

    When I started out reffing seniors as opposed to the age group I coach, I marked both attacking and defending lines, as I was told on the Level 2 course. After my first assessment reffing at level 10 or 11, not sure which, I was told just to mark the defending teams line. Sometimes the whole attacking line will not form up, but will step in to the line which makes marshalling the gap a bit more difficult.

    As for positioning - mix it up so they don't get wise to you. Don't stand in the 'zipper' position as the top flight refs do, they have ARs to watch for offside etc. Stand roughly in line with the back player (15m line), on the attacking side, body facing forward towards the defensive line but looking across at the line out, roughly in line with the receiving player (usually SH). But don't get in the 9-10 channel.

    Then after a couple standing at the back go and stand at the front, on attacking side in 5m channel. Any line outs within 10m of try line stand at the front ready for front peels, even for defensive line outs in case of a steal.

    Look at the players, not the ball, you will see from where they catch it whether or not it was straight. I was told over head is acceptable at lower levels.

    One big area to watch for is both 10s creeping forwards before the LO is over. I tell in my PMB but they still do it. Until they have been PK'd a couple of times

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    Default Re: new boy questions round 3

    Quote Originally Posted by GingerSeaMonster View Post
    [...]Look at the players, not the ball, [...]
    Key advice. Remember the old adage: "The ball has never yet been known to commit an offence."

    It's particularly true when the ball is kicked. Take a second to watch the kicker rather than following the flight of the ball. You can catch defensive late tackles or attacking offsides.

    Playing habits can be hard to change.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Key advice. Remember the old adage: "The ball has never yet been known to commit an offence."

    It's particularly true when the ball is kicked. Take a second to watch the kicker rather than following the flight of the ball. You can catch defensive late tackles or attacking offsides.

    Playing habits can be hard to change.
    yes... but even when playing players can be guilty of ball watching and no9t checking what the oppo are (or are NOT!) doing or where the space is :-)

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