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    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-un...sweet-chariot/

    acknowledging the recent discussions on the Izzy F issue, I wonder what the hive thinks about the swing low controversy.
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    It's a funny one, isn't it ?
    If it was a song written by slave owners, celebrating property rights then it would be easy to condemn

    But in fact it's a song written by slaves yearning for deliverance

    Does that make a difference?

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    it will be interesting to hear from the woke folk. Cultural appropriation, apparently. So if it had been written by a white slave owner possibly not as offensive.

    And, of course, will an official ban discourage the throngs from singing it? More likely a call to arms.
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    There’s definitely a move away from the Chris Oti origin, where a group of school boys claim they immortalized a 1960s drinking song, less the rude hand gestures.

    A 2015 BBC article tells us
    ...the Market Bosworth Rugby Club members at Twickenham that day - Dave Hales, John Ward, Bruce Coleman and Paul Spencer - all maintain they started singing the song first.
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    In rugby terms it was a grassroots rugby song , sung all over the UK , that was accidentally appropriated by England

    I remember it from 1982, there are plenty of people on social media who sang it in clubs the sixties and seventies
    We all sang it in my uni team, including Welsh and Scots, it had no association with England then, it was just a rugby song (rather like take me home country roads is now !)

    I don't think the RFU are considering trying to ban it, but rather whether to cease promoting and encouraging it (it's all over the stadium currently, the RFU love it)

    I suspect that regardless of what the RFU do , the song is going to start to wane, people aren't going to be so happy with it.

    The big problem is what to replace it with ..
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    I don’t buy the RFU position that most fans don’t know there’s a connection. That’s insulting their intelligence, everyone knows it’s a negro spiritual/gospel song.
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    Given that *every single time* the song is ever mentioned, we are reminded of that .. I suspect you are right

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    I think it means that those in the marketing department at the patch had no idea about its origins - and probably don't know the actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    In rugby terms it was a grassroots rugby song , sung all over the UK , that was accidentally appropriated by England

    I remember it from 1982, there are plenty of people on social media who sang it in clubs the sixties and seventies
    We all sang it in my uni team, including Welsh and Scots, it had no association with England then, it was just a rugby song (rather like take me home country roads is now !)

    I don't think the RFU are considering trying to ban it, but rather whether to cease promoting and encouraging it (it's all over the stadium currently, the RFU love it)

    I suspect that regardless of what the RFU do , the song is going to start to wane, people aren't going to be so happy with it.

    The big problem is what to replace it with ..
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    It’s a slave song that found its way into rugby by being sung by majority white fans at black wingers scoring for their majority white team. If nobody sees any problems with that, well...

    (FWIW, Welsh fan, have never liked the song. I’ve always found its rugby heritage problematic, plus it gets turned into a monotonous dirge by the Twickenham crowd)
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