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    Default Advantage applied if ball deliberately kicked out of scrum tunnel

    I got a couple of related questions wrong sitting my law exam recently and my RDM provided some clarity however I would be interested to see what the opinions are on here.

    The question refers to LAW 7.3b which states:
    3.0 Advantage must not be applied and the referee must blow the whistle immediately when:
    (b) The ball comes out of either end of the tunnel at a scrum.


    One of the questions was:

    "At a scrum, may advantage be played when the ball is intentionally kicked out of the tunnel in the direction from which it was thrown in?

    The second question was similar but just asked in a different way.

    Answers please.

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    Default Re: Advantage applied if ball deliberately kicked out of scrum tunnel

    I can only refer you to the Law you quote: 7.3b. Please note that the law does not refer to: "hy the ball came out of the tunnel?". It merely says if it does, come out of the tunnel, NO ADVANTAGE.

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    Default Re: Advantage applied if ball deliberately kicked out of scrum tunnel

    I have to say, I don't really understand the purpose of 7.3b, but it seems pretty clear that it applies.
    Last edited by crossref; 3 Weeks Ago at 09:06.

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    Default Re: Advantage applied if ball deliberately kicked out of scrum tunnel

    Quote Originally Posted by xxGoosexx View Post
    I got a couple of related questions wrong sitting my law exam recently and my RDM provided some clarity however I would be interested to see what the opinions are on here.

    The question refers to LAW 7.3b which states:
    3.0 Advantage must not be applied and the referee must blow the whistle immediately when:
    (b) The ball comes out of either end of the tunnel at a scrum.


    One of the questions was:

    "At a scrum, may advantage be played when the ball is intentionally kicked out of the tunnel in the direction from which it was thrown in?

    The second question was similar but just asked in a different way.

    Answers please.

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    I'm guessing that because the act of kicking a ball out of the scrum is not only illegal (PK) but also because it is dangerous play in that a boot will be in close proximity to the head of an opposition player.
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    Default Re: Advantage applied if ball deliberately kicked out of scrum tunnel

    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post
    I'm guessing that because the act of kicking a ball out of the scrum is not only illegal (PK) but also because it is dangerous play in that a boot will be in close proximity to the head of an opposition player.
    A hooker striking for the ball in the scrum(only at the lower levels as we all know it doesnt happen at elite level) is kicking the ball, why would that be dangerous, it shouldnt be anywhere near an opponents head.

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    Default Re: Advantage applied if ball deliberately kicked out of scrum tunnel

    Quote Originally Posted by ianh5979 View Post
    A hooker striking for the ball in the scrum(only at the lower levels as we all know it doesnt happen at elite level) is kicking the ball, why would that be dangerous, it shouldnt be anywhere near an opponents head.
    He "hooking" not kicking the ball. Different actions.

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    Default Re: Advantage applied if ball deliberately kicked out of scrum tunnel

    I would say if the ball comes out of the tunnel - blow immediately.
    Then decide if it is:
    - accidental, if so reset scrum
    - deliberate, penalty and possibly yellow card.

    The front row are the players you have had the pre-match brief with.
    You have already Told them what you expect.

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    Default Re: Advantage applied if ball deliberately kicked out of scrum tunnel

    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post
    I would say if the ball comes out of the tunnel - blow immediately.
    Then decide if it is:
    - accidental, if so reset scrum
    - deliberate, penalty and possibly yellow card.

    The front row are the players you have had the pre-match brief with.
    You have already Told them what you expect.

    Do you tell them about kicking the ball out in your PMB?

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    Default Re: Advantage applied if ball deliberately kicked out of scrum tunnel

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I have to say, I don't really understand the purpose of 7.3b, but it seems pretty clear that it applies.
    it's so that if the ball pops back out into the SH's hands, he can't scarper off downfield while everyone else is scratching their heads
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Default Re: Advantage applied if ball deliberately kicked out of scrum tunnel

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    it's so that if the ball pops back out into the SH's hands, he can't scarper off downfield while everyone else is scratching their heads
    Sounds fun !

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