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    Some 30 years ago when we were living in the USA, John and Bernice invited us round for a barbecue. I don't really like hot weather, so after sitting in the shade for the main course I retired indoors to the air conditioning. After a bit Bernice came in to sort out some dessert and asked what we were planning for a holiday this year. I started going over various ideas we had and she suddenly said "I couldn't go there". I was puzzled, so asked why not. "Because I'm black."

    I was set back on my heels. All I could think to say was "I'm sorry, I had forgotten that", but it really brought hone to me the pervasive nature of racism. I could easily mingle in places like Washington or suburban Maryland, and not care about being white. However she had no choice but to be wary in case her skin colour suddenly became significant. As an individual I can do nothing to change that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Back to the Chiefs anyone seen any details about the claim that the name was in use in the 1900s ?
    It's not a new claim, a quick google finds articles from as early as 2010, and Wikipedia links to a transcript from about the same time - basis being that in Devon it was traditional for their 1st teams to be called 'The Chiefs'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    It's not a new claim, a quick google finds articles from as early as 2010, and Wikipedia links to a transcript from about the same time - basis being that in Devon it was traditional for their 1st teams to be called 'The Chiefs'
    that's what I was interested in -- what was the origin ? It seemed unlikely to me that it referred to native americans (Exeter being in Devon and whatnot) .

    It's easier for clubs to hang on to an unfortunate name, if they are returning to its original meaning, .... rather than being haunted by it's original meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    Then you are blind.
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    I guess then thw question is how similar do we think these two imageries are ?

    1 - Crusaders (before)

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    2 - Crusaders (after)



    remind you of anything?

    completely different? or rather similar ?

    let's face it - they do NOT look like crusaders for women's right, or world peace, or against global warming.
    But they do look quite like those religious zealots who set out to conquer the holy land

    I think it's wrong. That's not based on what proportion of muslims profess to be offended, it's becasue I think religious wars are wrong, and shouldn't be glorified.
    Last edited by crossref; 1 Week Ago at 14:07.

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    Question Re: the Chiefs

    Eastern Polynesian settled in New Zealand starting in around 1280, successive waves in 1320 and 1350
    European settlers started meddling in Maori affairs in 1820- 1872.

    Fast forward to 1996, quite what the Canterbury connection is to the Crusaders of the Holy Land I cannot see. (1095 - 1272) Finished even before the Polynesian people discovered Aotearoa.

    But then picking names with no regional connection seems to be a thing in Rugby franchises.
    An old Chinese proverb says that "The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right names."
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I guess then thw question is how similar do we think these two imageries are ?

    1 - Crusaders (before)

    ap_19093064777085_wide-2313d791410012cf6a545bc6dbd59fedc48ec6fb-s1600-c85.jpg

    2 - Crusaders (after)



    .
    Both feature riders that will not be getting laid that night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I guess then thw question is how similar do we think these two imageries are ?

    1 - Crusaders (before)

    ap_19093064777085_wide-2313d791410012cf6a545bc6dbd59fedc48ec6fb-s1600-c85.jpg

    2 - Crusaders (after)



    remind you of anything?

    completely different? or rather similar ?
    Similarities

    a. There are horses
    b. There are people riding them
    c. They're in the same rugby stadium

    AND THAT IS ALL! Furthermore, they were supposed to look the similar; not the same, but similar. That was the whole idea; to give the crowd similar looking pre-match entertainment without the offensive imagery. I think that were quite clever, and highly appropriate.

    Now, how about this imagery?

    3. Pony Club Parades





    remind you of anything?

    completely different? or rather similar ?

    NOTE: How vile of those children, riding around like religious warriors from ~800 years ago. And that second photo - well words fail me - they are carrying a cross; one that is very similar to the Templar Cross made famous by the.... wait for it..... Crusades

    NOTE2: The word "crusade" is derived from the Old French "croisade" which literally means "take the cross" or "carry the cross" which itself derived from the earlier "croisée", "the state of being marked with the cross"
    Oh dear me
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    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    This picture is not true as per club statement.

    The one aspect which the board felt could be regarded as disrespectful was the club’s mascot ‘Big Chief’ and as a mark of respect have decided to retire him.


    He is retired, no need to work, he is now a burden on the taxpayers. Also, he potentially can get called back, since he wasn't axed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    they were supposed to look similar:
    and so they do

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