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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Put like that why would anyone not be in the second corner ?
    indeed.

    Other than to say that in some circumsrtances it would mean that the fighting etc is redundfant because potentially the perps dont care themselves, and the abused don't care either.

    But I guess that is up to the fighters to reconcile 9it doesnt of course make it wrong. just merely potentially pointless)

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    [QUOTE=L'irlandais;370618]Spot on. It’s a reference to the 25,000 American patriots who died kicking off the yoke of British occupation.

    Oh the irony that the 'Patriots' were objecting to occupation!

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    The opposition were called Loyalists. (Much like their counterparts in NI today, loyal to the crown.)
    Patriots were those colonists of the Thirteen Colonies who rejected British rule during the American Revolution and declared the United States of America as an independent nation in July 1776.
    The irony of it is lost on me. Their patriotism is simply for a country other than the Island of Great Britain. Which is understandable when they were born and bred in a country other than ....
    I reckon it was the massacre of the civilian population, more than the unfair taxation that they objected to.
    Rumour has it The Americans are prone to exaggeration
    Well, every new nation needs a creation myth—and the founding fathers were very good at spinning a compelling tale that people could rally around.
    Similar reasons for demanding Independence can be seen in India, Malaya and Kenya. In South Africa I reckon it was the British concentration camps, although these entailed the deaths of thousands of civilians too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    Put like that why would anyone not be in the second corner ?
    Because its none of their business ?

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    Because its none of their business ?
    nothing to do with me, mate, the "oppressed and downtrodden" should be able to speak up for themselves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    nothing to do with me, mate, the "oppressed and downtrodden" should be able to speak up for themselves?
    I particularly like Banksy’s reply: White racism very much IS our problem, not some Black issue.
    Banksy recently wrote in response to the global protests in the wake of Floyd’s killing:

    #“I thought I should just shut up and listen to black people about this issue. But why would I do that? It’s not their problem, it’s mine.

    #“People of colour are being failed by the system. The white system. Like a broken pipe flooding the apartment of the people living downstairs. The faulty system is making their life a misery, but it’s not their job to fix it. They can’t, no one will let them in the apartment upstairs.

    #“This is a white problem. And if white people don’t fix it, someone will have to come upstairs and kick the door in.”
    Source

    That day is coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    nothing to do with me, mate, the "oppressed and downtrodden" should be able to speak up for themselves?
    If someone isnt offended by something , then being offended on their behalf is pretty patronising.

    "You are too stupid to realise that this is bad, I'll fix it for you"
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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerCraig View Post
    If someone isnt offended by something , then being offended on their behalf is pretty patronising.

    Ah, you are moving the goalposts : Dickie asked whether it is our duty "to fight for the oppressed and downtrodden, even if they don't want us to fight for them".

    I think it is. But I wouldn't fight for the merely offended, let alone the unoffended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L'irlandais View Post
    That day is coming.
    How does story end? Well?

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    I’m an optimist. I figure Darwin (he of «*survival of the fittest*» fame) has this covered; it ends well.
    The Patriot Movement are to dumb to survive. If left to their own devices, it’d probably not end so well. But seeing as they are dumb ‘n all, I think the odds are stacked against them and the armageddon they are looking for. For one thing they fail to see they are the force of evil, not the other side.
    Militias, the Patriot Movement, and the Internet: The Ideology of Conspiracism
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