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    Quote Originally Posted by thepercy View Post
    Redskin is a derogatory racial slur, whereas chief is not.
    I agree for Washington the issue was more complex than for Exeter.
    This isn’t an issue that will simply go away. Just ask the Washington Redskins. Controversy about the use of the term Redskins began in the 1960s – over 50 years ago – and the criticism has only become more strident over subsequent decades.

    In 2015, it seemed the Redskins would be in urgent need of a re-brand when an appeal board of the U.S. Patents & Trademark office voted to cancel the football team’s trademarks on the grounds they were disparaging to Native Americans.

    A first appeal by the football team was dismissed by a judge, however in a separate case in 2017 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled unanimously that not allowing disparaging names to be protected by trademark registration was an “unconstitutional infringement of freedom of speech”.
    That freedom of speech allows folks to use racial slurs beggars belief. Only in White America’s eyes.
    The R word is the direct equivalent of the N word, stereotyping people by the colour of their skin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Maybe. Does "in honour" trump cultural appropriation?
    Hard to view the Waikato team as appropriation given a) they are based in the country of said Chiefs' origins, b) a substantial part of the fan base can claim some Maori heritage, c) many players drawn from the catchment provinces have Maori heritage, d) the club engages in a sincere program of cultural outreach and appreciation with its Maori community. See also this 2013 article from the always-excellent Uni Watch.

    In comparison, a) Exeter is many 1,000s of miles from the homelands of the Native Americans whose image they have appropriated, b) virtually none of the Exeter fans (if any) can claim Native American heritage, c) ditto the players, d) the club does nothing with its co-opted imagery except market itself.

    Not the same at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    [...] Jut no need to be as pathetic as the "CARDIFF BLUES" !
    I support the Bedford Blues. I believe that is because their strip is a mixture of Oxford and Cambridge blues.
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    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Exeter can hardly use the Pirate route as that is claimed by Penzance and Newlyn - sorry Cornish.

    But the Hound of the Baskervilles comes from Dartmoor.
    As does Silver Blaze - and hence the dog that did not bark.

    I think OB may be correct. Cardiff play in Caius shirts Blue and Black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    I support the Bedford Blues. I believe that is because their strip is a mixture of Oxford and Cambridge blues.
    Cardiff was always the Blue and BLacks. When we had the "regional dream" they became "The Cardiff Blues" The marketing dept, the union and the BBC Try to force it to "the Blues". You can't chant "BLUES" it comes over as "BOOOOOOOOS!" Slipshod work.

    Why not Cardiff with a nickname or Bedford with the nickname. Just as Manchester United Manchester United but their nickname is the Red Devils or the reds.

    Americanised Marketing nonsense for me. I only use the word "b lues" to establish context between the Regional Outfit "Cardiff Blues" and the Semi pro side "Cardiff RFC". All part of th same club despite the propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post
    Exeter can hardly use the Pirate route as that is claimed by Penzance and Newlyn - sorry Cornish.

    But the Hound of the Baskervilles comes from Dartmoor.
    As does Silver Blaze - and hence the dog that did not bark.

    I think OB may be correct. Cardiff play in Caius shirts Blue and Black.
    I don't think copyright applies.

    Cardiff were always Cambridge Blue and Black. The Cardiff Blues team do not the play in Dark and light blue now. for strange political reasons. The Current directors do not seem to understand the value of Tradition etc in rugby. The Cambridge bit is long gone, sadly.

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    I wonder where it will all go. I thought to say "end up" but maybe it will never end up:

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    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Wakeham View Post
    Jut no need to be as pathetic as the "CARDIFF BLUES" !
    Why pathetic? Is it because "blues" is a style of music that should not be culturally appropriated?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    Maybe. Does "in honour" trump cultural appropriation?
    it's only cultural appropriation if you think that a rugby team naturally represnents white culture (appropriating a non-white one).

    I hope we are beyond that : rugby should be (I hope is - or is at least becoming) a sport for all different cultures. Given that I don't see the problem with a NZ team celebrating Maori culture. Anymore than - say - a Irish team celebrating Celtic culture

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