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    Default Re: Free Kicks & Penalty Kicks

    Here is Clarification 2 of 2006
    Clarification 2 2006

    Ruling in Law by the Designated Members of the Rugby Committee
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    Law 19.1 (e) stipulates: “Penalty kick. When a player kicks to touch from a penalty kick anywhere in the playing area, the throw in is taken from where the ball went into touch.”

    Law 19.4 (Exception) has the following precision. “When a team takes a penalty kick, and the ball is kicked into touch, the throw in is taken by the player of the team who took the penalty kick. This applies whether the ball was kicked directly or indirectly into touch.”

    Finally, Law 21.4 (d) requires for “kicking for touch. The kicker may punt or drop kick for touch but must not place kick for touch.”

    Following a penalty kick and after the ball was kicked, the ball hits the goal post and goes into touch without having been touched by another player.
    What decision should the referee give?

    Ruling of the designated members of the Rugby Committee
    If the penalty kick is for goal, then it is a lineout defending team to throw in.
    Law 21.4(d).

    If the penalty kick is for touch, therefore no place kick, then it is a lineout attacking team to throw in.


    The lineout in either of these situations may not be closer than 5 metres from the goal line. Law 19.4 Exception.
    I have always argued that this was nonsense, and I hope it has been forgotten by now.

    There was a vogue for kicking a PK to touch via a place kick because some thought it was more effective, but the ban was because it wasted time.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Default Re: Free Kicks & Penalty Kicks

    quite a cute ploy on a FK might be

    - quick tap and pass it back to your 10 who is in the pocket
    - #10 drop kicks toward the post
    - defenders are put off guard as they will immediately focus on the fact that a DG is impossible - they might even start appealing to the ref etc
    - onside attacker runs through the confused defenders to collect the ball and score a try

    it would take a skilful kick, but I think it could be done, if close enough to the posts, and you balloon the kick upwards a bit.

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    CR - Id be surprised if it hasnt been tried somewhere somewhen :-)

    didds

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    Obviously the kick doesn't have to go through the posts, but ideally it would !

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    Default Re: Free Kicks & Penalty Kicks

    Quote Originally Posted by great_captain View Post
    Maybe we can imagine this scenario.

    Penalty. Kick at goal... The ball hits the post and then goes into touch (of course no player touches the ball)...


    When was the rule changed?


    I am not a referee... Just a rugby fan...
    THe rule changed on scoring from a Free kick back around 1990 I was still palying when the law changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chbg View Post
    To assist your decision, if there is, or would be (!), more than a minute between the intention to kick of goal and the correct execution, then the outcome would be a scrum to the opposition.



    Good advice for clubs/captains needing direction too!
    1st part is a different offence though.

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    Default Re: Free Kicks & Penalty Kicks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jz558 View Post
    For me:

    3 - No score, play on. Depending on the level try and manage it to avoid a situation where the opposition stop playing because they think a score has occurred. If they do stop and the side who took the penalty end up scoring then think of something equitable quick .
    LOUD "PLAY ON!" call.

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