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    Default Re: Knock on ?

    Knock on IMO.

    I can understand why the TO4 awarded the try - Red 19's last touch knocks the ball backwards (with respect to him) but the ball still lands in front of where it was last touched by him.

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    Having watched it several times I think it is one of those ‘no win’ situations where you can argue both ways due to the nuances of law that can be balanced on pin heads. I went round in circles arguing with myself and kept winning the argument both ways! Or losing it depending on your viewpoint.

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    "Sell the decision" . Im with Balones.

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    I'm with Ian on this, the ball clearly lands forward of where it was last played and therefore is a knock-on. That said if it had been caught by the red winger (instead of being played after it bounced) in the same position I suspect I would have awarded the try. I know that is technically wrong but with no TMO replays calling that clearly forward would be a more difficult sell than awarding the try.

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    I also think it's a KO
    But I am unsettled that the elite officials on the day awarded a try

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    Without replays in one of my games, easy sell, knock on.
    But in slomo for me, whilst red is bobbling the ball he is in possession and liable to be tackled.
    He doesn't knock it forward over a black player so not gaining an advantage and his last action is clearly to knock the ball back so for me a good decision.
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    Yeah. The ball has gone toward the opposition’s deadball line. There are a limited few exceptions, as to why it wouldn’t be a KO. Momentum rule not being one of them.
    11.The ball is not knocked-on, and play continues, if:

    A player knocks the ball forward immediately after an opponent has kicked it (charge down).
    A player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm.


    Cross posted with Ciaran, does intention matter here?
    Certainly he did his best to knock the ball back, but it still went forward from where he lost control, simply due to the running speed. Lost forward, despite the TMO over thinking it.
    Last edited by L'irlandais; 05-08-20 at 13:08.
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    Expected decision - knock on, so that’s what I’m going with. I think it did go forward so that’ll do me. I get the technical arguments against, but, that way lies madness - and lengthy arguments on twitter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    Expected decision - knock on, so that’s what I’m going with. I think it did go forward so that’ll do me. I get the technical arguments against, but, that way lies madness - and lengthy arguments on twitter!
    as always two questions here

    1 you are the ref and an identical incident happens in your grassroots game, what's the call ? I am sure we all agree (?) it's a KO

    2 you are the TMO for this particular incident, armed with replays, a lawbook in your hand, and all the time you need to think about it ... -- what's the call ?

    For me knock on for both questions

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