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    I am happy with the T04 decision, would also be happy if he chose to PK black for the knee contact to the head (he may have thought it immaterial but def should have mentioned it!)


    If that was a game of mine with no TMO, no replays, and probably every player has got a slightly different view of it --- bloody hell that would be a hard one to ref !

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    Jumping the tackle: penalty against black 11
    Yellow player did not do anything other than get into a good low tackling position and then have opposition winger fly over him.
    Clear to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    If I saw a players actions directly cause a knee to the head of another I’d be considering a sanction, certainly nothing against gold. It’s one of those crapppy one’s I have to explain every season at least once, it’s not against the laws to jump - until it becomes dangerous, at which point it’s too late :-(
    Maybe it should be, at least to jump into a tackle.

    But then, I think it should be illegal grasp and lift an opponent off the ground at all. If they had made that illegal back in 2009 when the famous Spear Tackle memo came out, it would have made things a lot easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    Maybe it should be, at least to jump into a tackle.
    This maybe too wooly bu7t even to the extent make it penalsisable for any player to perform any action that puts HIMSELF at risk - so ujumping into a tackle as we can see can end up with him being upended and thus pearing himself 9or herself of course).

    And add "or TEAMATE" to that - so dropping your lifted jumper is a PK too.

    ??/

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    Not a chance of that happening Didds.
    If that were the case , a lot of chasers jumping for the ball are clearly putting themselves in a dangerous position but that is completely ignored
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctrainor View Post
    Not a chance of that happening Didds.
    If that were the case , a lot of chasers jumping for the ball are clearly putting themselves in a dangerous position but that is completely ignored
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    ... currently...

    of course you are right. I dont disagree.

    Ive said enough over the years about kick defenders having to actually run away from a kick in order to not risk a card ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    ... currently...

    of course you are right. I dont disagree.

    Ive said enough over the years about kick defenders having to actually run away from a kick in order to not risk a card ;-)
    And as I have said before, if rugby would adopt a variation of the Basketball Rules for players jumping for the ball, a lot of the arguments over who put who in danger would be settled
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    And as I have said before, if rugby would adopt a variation of the Basketball Rules for players jumping for the ball, a lot of the arguments over who put who in danger would be settled
    absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    And as I have said before, if rugby would adopt a variation of the Basketball Rules for players jumping for the ball, a lot of the arguments over who put who in danger would be settled
    Ian - could you outline how they do it in Basketball please? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiniRef View Post
    Ian - could you outline how they do it in Basketball please? Thanks.
    Sure.

    In Basketball, when a player jumps to catch the ball...

    1. if his landing area is clear of players at the moment he jumped, that space belongs to the jumper. If any opponent moves into that area, and the jumper hits or makes contact with him, that player will be called for contact. If its dangerous, a personal foul is called.

    2. if his landing area is not clear of players at the moment he jumped, that space belongs to the players already there. If the jumper makes contact with any player already in the landing area, the jumper is called for a charging foul.


    This could easily be adapted to Rugby in the scenario where a player kicks the ball, and the same player or a team mate or an opponent runs and jumps to catch the ball. The first player from either side to jump to catch the ball owns the space, but only if the landing area is clear, so

    1. If there are no players of either side already in the landing area at the moment the player jumps, then other players must not move into that area to catch the ball or tackle the jumper until his feet touch the ground.

    2. If there are one or more opponents is in the area where the ball is coming down, those opponents own the space where they are and the space near them (near being 1m as defined in the Laws). If a player jumps for the ball, he is responsible for his own safety in the event of a collision,
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