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Watching it live, my immediate reaction to the first try is that England were expecting a shot at goal, which was as large a contributory factor to...

Maybe but this is after a try has been scored, but ball is dead when infringment occurs. After try is scored ref allows time for conversion but not...

Yes....

Law 13.3b

Hence my tongue in cheek answer above, we know what a player who goes to ground to gather the ball can do, here I was already there. I believe it...

The way that the law has been interpreted for the last couple of years has cleared up the ambiguity. Our professional referees, as well as those at...

Time may have expired as you say....but the half hadn't ended!

interesting point. Maybe penalties are changed then to be either a kick at goal or a 10m advancement.

@Ian - seems a fair decision. We know the location is where the game would restart. And we know because time has expired that the "when" play...

I keep telling people at work there’d be a lot less arguments and things would be much easier if they just accept I’m right.

ah but is it? There are some who state it is not clear a player can’t play the ball in this scenario. I’m not one of them but even here the law...

So what about a player that deliberately knocks a ball forward over a defenders head then regathers. Knock on? (ball never hits the ground or an...

That was one of the incidents that I was referring to in another thread where England got the benefit of a ‘dubious’ decision and went on to score....

As I said .....if only it was as straightforward as you imply. Each scenario would have to be assessed and decision made based on the type of action...

Knock on Play on But that’s not what happened, he just knocked it forward, half a juggle at best

Seriously though, technically correct, it’s a penalty - but I think it falls into the positive play category so they let it go as a good spectacle

He was on the ground prior to taking possession of the ball as I recall. He clearly 'played' the ball while off his feet in my opinion.

Red player tries to catch the ball, juggles it 3 times between his hands and the final action is it goes forwards from his left hand and hits the...

So he used it immediately? If he’d gone to ground, grabbed the ball and used it immediately would that be ok? He just skipped a step ;-)

If only!!!

Read the definition of a knock-on. It's very clear.

Not necessarily true!

A knock-on only occurs when the ball hits the ground or an opponent after the player knocks it forward. In this case neither occured and the last...

Knock-on: When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the...

I can understand the logic...but I think it is an error. Edit. ..In your scenario should a penalty try have been awarded?

if only people had taken this view from the start, so many arguments could have been avoided... :biggrin:

For me...yes penalisable!

No oneis arguing with the rub of the green going different ways at different times. But here, surey, it should be about was the call right or wrong....