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to be specific- the thread question was the juggle-and-bat-back scenario interestingly the majority opinion here (forcefully expressed, and with...

Honestly Dickie? I haven’t got a clue!:) From what we’ve seen, experienced and discussed lately anything could happen and quite frankly I’d be just...

a corollary. Using Belladonna's stills in #142, if Red 14 had then fallen over the goal line while maintaining continuous contact (ie no daylight)...

my criticism was quite different but now lost in the mists of time

Yep. Correct.

Seems like discussion has been around for a while... http://www.rugbyrefs.com/archive/index.php/t-17273.html

It was awkward TV, and a waste of air time for me. Sure, two parties involved in each interview, but the players responses are predictable and can...

I think the key part is defining 'catch', because this is what is needed to negate the ball being hit forward. Can you catch the ball with 1 hand or...

Is it Knocked-on, and Knocking-on ?

Yes! And if a player who knocks on is a knocker-on, what is the plural?!? :biggrin:

Now this is the sort of discussion I like!:) It should be knocks-on and not knock-ons. Or knockons. So how would you pluralise knock on?

No, but I was also leaving out the hyphen in 'Knock-On'. Seems like a lot of people, even Nigel Owens, do.

that's the way I understand it - throw forward is relative to the player, knock on is judged relative to the ground

Ah ok. But a forward pass is not?

this is another principle that needs to be spelled out better in the Laws

Exactly that: LRZ is not a slowcoach, and he wasn't plodding at the time. Straight down relative to his motion is C&O forward.

Well, I would say you don't judge knock on wrt to the player's motion. knock-on is judged with respect to the ground.

I've watched it again and pulled 4 frames. From top-left to bottom right... 1. LRZ gathers ball in trailing right hand 2. LRZ bring ball...

Thats it for me, yes. continuing to bang the drum smacked of desperately trying to court controversy.

"Barnsey? Nigel, here, WTF?"

So basically that's the nub of the criticism, right ? Line of questions was reasonable, but once straight batted then she should have moved on more...

Exactly.

Definitely not! My phone corrects me all the time, LOL. And yeah, good point about there possibly being subtly different scenarios which WB and NO...

I have sent a follow up question about the definition of ‘possession’ and the matter of ‘control’, as outlined above in previous posts. I’ll keep...

The possession thing is an interesting point, and part of the back and forth I had on Twitter around Wayne's video, and it then comes down to nuance...

henceforth known as "non-referee of the decade" :-)

unrelated but noting 10 years since Didds won "non-referee of the year". Happy anniversary! :)

Thanks so much for the inside track from NO! �� And yes, in the case of a player deliberately knocking it over a defender's head and regathering,...

Well, I guess that must be NO's reasoning, too. The definition of KO doesn't mention control though, only possession. Knock-on: When a player...

An interesting thread. I personally couldn't see anything but KO and I can't personally twist the laws wording or intent to manufacture anything else...