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I accept the legal point you are making. However, I was not making a point strictly in relation to laws and the law book. Signals have arisen because...

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referee signals do not influence play and none should be created that do. there are plenty of cues for players.

Your point being....

Actually, that is all signals are to be used. And with the exception of advantage, signals occur after a whistle to explain a decision. Any other...

no shit, I can't make you drink, I can't even lead you to water. Consider this, perhaps the ref should put the ball in the scrum also. ...

There's an (apocryphal?) story about a referee who awarded a PK, and when the captain started to complain, he marched them back 10m. And again. ...

great story

When I started almost 20 years ago it was just a matter of buying a whistle and say you'll give it a go. In my first game it was my old club Vickers...

I've marked a PK incorrectly. Actually I think I almost did it twice. It happened just after half-time and the team shirts were close in colour. I...

We help players to adhere to / comply with the laws by using signals at appropriate times. A player 50M from the action cannot see what the referee...

These are not signals. They are laws. didds

IMHO...refereeing should be all about 'assisting'!

At the risk of sounding like my 22 year old daughter.... Sorry. ...but are we talking about Laws or signals????

I take your point about players needing to make their own decisions but it is tricky knowing when the maul crosses the LoT from 10 metres back and it...

I'm wrong there are five signals ENDING A LINEOUT The lineout ends when: The ball or a player in possession of the ball: leaves the...

Not here, or linked from ? https://laws.worldrugby.org/en/signals/secondary

Can you send us a link to these signals, there is nothing in the latest world rugby laws download

Well, There are signals. 3 of them. all in the lawbook. 1. Ball is out of l/o 2. Maul is driven past LOT 3. Ball is thrown past 15 m

Agreed.

it strikes me that the pros could do this very easily - ref and nearside AR watch the maul. far side AR watches to keep both sides 10m back . of...

Wales in recent years (Gatland era) went through a phase of adding backs to their maul if they had a 5m attacking lineout. The backs invariably came...

I must admit that in this game the players tended to ignore the signals anyway. The only way Matt could get them to comply was by verbally telling...

I think the key thing here is, there is no official signal for when the line out is over. Convention to me was always arm straight up and comes down...

like. makes sense - tx ... THIS is why I come here to learn :-)

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Point with finger to stay back and flat hand for advantage? Eye tests for all players?:)

you wouldn't want to put one arm out, though, as that looks like advantage. this is one that would be worth formalising into the lawbook I reckon...

Matt Carly seems to like both methods. Most of the time it was arms out but on at least one occasion it was arm up. It may well be because at the...