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davsas
30-11-17, 10:11
I know as the kids move up the ages in junior the sin bin is introduced and gets longer as they get older, but there is no mention of red cards. Can you even give a red in a junior match, if the incident was so bad as to warrant one? I myself have never even carded in a junior game, but read about a boy stamping on the face of another.

didds
30-11-17, 11:11
most certainly. "Junior" to me means U13 and above. These kids are in year 8 at least at school - they are well aware of social norms and expectations. (Ok - some caveats )

If you would rather deal with it by asking a coach to permanently substitute the player at the younger age groups (not U15 and above though) then that maybe has the same effect. particularly if you are not goig to report the RC (for whatever reason)

didds

davsas
30-11-17, 12:11
most certainly. "Junior" to me means U13 and above. These kids are in year 8 at least at school - they are well aware of social norms and expectations. (Ok - some caveats )

If you would rather deal with it by asking a coach to permanently substitute the player at the younger age groups (not U15 and above though) then that maybe has the same effect. particularly if you are not goig to report the RC (for whatever reason)

didds

Cheers didds, thatís what I normally do, just ask for a sub. Next game is u15 so may be a bit stricter

Phil E
30-11-17, 13:11
Junior is U13 to U18.
U7 to U11 is Mini.
U12 and U13 is Midi.

I would use cards for Junior, management with the coach for Mini and Midi.

It used to say in the continuum about not using cards for certain ages, but that got removed with the revamp we now have for some reason.
So technically you could card at any age group.

Flish
30-11-17, 13:11
I started a similar conversation over at http://www.rugbyrefs.com/showthread.php?20547-Use-of-Cards-in-Mini-Rugby which might help, and reminds me that I didn't update with the answer I got from my RDO (well actually County), but in summary Red Cards do exist, if for no other reason than they trigger a disciplinary process (which varies according to age), specific answer was;



Yellow cards are not encouraged at Mini level, rather a word to coaches to ask for the player to be subbed.
However, Red cards are a different matter. No hearings take place at Mini/Junior level below U13s, the club is deemed capable of carrying out an internal investigation.
Working on the premise that ‘foul play is foul play regardless of age’, one has to be careful in the delivery of the card. A dangerous tackle or a reckless stamp etc, could warrant a red card in any game but you could be empathetic at the lower age ranges.
Punches, and the similarly offensive strikes, and abuse (especially MOA), a red card should be in the refs mind. I have had a couple of hearings for U13’s for MOA and it is creeping into the game!
As refs and coaches, we try to keep young players on the park, and no ref should ever say ‘you leave me no option’...there’s always an option! Refs should ALWAYS fill in a red card report...even though they may think afterwards that it was too harsh.
That is for the Discipline hearing to decide any sanctions/tariffs that are necessary.

So I would exercise caution in delivering any cards, but there may be overriding circumstances that drive you doing so.


Hope that helps

didds
30-11-17, 13:11
Cheers didds, that’s what I normally do, just ask for a sub. Next game is u15 so may be a bit stricter

Having coached this upper teen age groups a fair bit I'd say being strict is a good thing at U15 and U16. Testosterone and alpha male-ism starts to become rife at these ages as puberty kicks in. Sometimes a stricter approach can make things safer and more enjoyable for all.

just my 2p.

didds

willh
01-12-17, 08:12
I find at U16-U18 you should make it clear that you will use cards if required - and often the mere mention of them is enough to resolve any issues. The players are usually still at a stage where they are horrified at the thought of receiving a card.

TigerCraig
04-12-17, 01:12
We give cards from U10 up - but I believe up to U12 can be replaced. U13 up are treated the same as seniors

menace
04-12-17, 06:12
We give cards from U10 up - but I believe up to U12 can be replaced. U13 up are treated the same as seniors

Correct. In this part of the world.

Get the little sh#ts used to cards so they know we mean business and won't accept their foul play and petulant behaviour. They learn consequences for their actions very quickly. Also gets the tears about cards done early - not pretty seeing a 14 year old crying because of a YC.

VM75
08-12-17, 21:12
Having coached this upper teen age groups a fair bit I'd say being strict is a good thing at U15 and U16. Testosterone and alpha male-ism starts to become rife at these ages as puberty kicks in. Sometimes a stricter approach can make things safer and more enjoyable for all.

just my 2p.

didds

sounds like some Slow developers in your neck of the woods! All that kicks in at u13 IME

Old enough to scrap/tackle dangerously/ or mouth off, then old enough to be disciplined for doing so IMO.

Jolly Roger
10-12-17, 18:12
I confirmed this with the SRU last season and the policy in Scotland is full application of RC and YC at U15 and above.
U14 and below no cards shown.

menace
10-12-17, 22:12
Wow you must have a good supply of cotton wool in the NH?

Now I try to avoid YC for below u13s (when I venture down that far down to help out as I find it fun and rewarding to ref juniors every now and then) and I prefer to work with the coach to sanction the ypunger players with some suggested rest time....but some d!ck coaches wanting to win the local world cup can make it difficult to get that agreement. But from u12 up then if it warrants a card...it gets one. It makes it pretty clear why the kid is getting one (assuming good signals are used). Why hide it?