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Dickie E
01-07-19, 02:07
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12245406

"Sometimes black can be a bit boring," Smith said at the launch this morning. "But they've made this jersey look primo."
"The normal black jersey is always exciting for Kiwis but for them to have a bit more thought behind it with the silver fern on it, it just makes it extra special."

"The gap between what athletes are wearing and high-end fashion design is getting so much closer," Ioane said.
"It's awesome having a fashion designer on board design the jersey, it looks a lot cooler and feels a lot better."

Looks like someone at Adidas is due for a promotion!

Ian_Cook
01-07-19, 02:07
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12245406

"Sometimes black can be a bit boring," Smith said at the launch this morning. "But they've made this jersey look primo."
"The normal black jersey is always exciting for Kiwis but for them to have a bit more thought behind it with the silver fern on it, it just makes it extra special."

"The gap between what athletes are wearing and high-end fashion design is getting so much closer," Ioane said.
"It's awesome having a fashion designer on board design the jersey, it looks a lot cooler and feels a lot better."

Looks like someone at Adidas is due for a promotion!

I'm not getting your argument here. The All Blacks shirt has had the Adidas logo over the right breast for almost 20 years

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/fqaLYeqlUePJEuO84VgSGTVkJ7Q=/360x384/filters:quality(70)/arc-anglerfish-syd-prod-nzme.s3.amazonaws.com/public/KVLKTZGERZFKFF4TBPBHHNDSBI.jpg
Lomu about to score in the the 2000 Sydney test.

Its only moved because the RWC logo has to go where the Adidas logo usually is.

If Adidas is not an official brand at RWC, that logo won't be there at all.



ETA: Quick Quiz (and NO Googling!)

Who is the touch judge at the right edge of the image?

Drift
01-07-19, 04:07
I'm not getting your argument here. The All Blacks shirt has had the Adidas logo over the right breast for almost 20 years

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/fqaLYeqlUePJEuO84VgSGTVkJ7Q=/360x384/filters:quality(70)/arc-anglerfish-syd-prod-nzme.s3.amazonaws.com/public/KVLKTZGERZFKFF4TBPBHHNDSBI.jpg
Lomu about to score in the the 2000 Sydney test.

Its only moved because the RWC logo has to go where the Adidas logo usually is.

If Adidas is not an official brand at RWC, that logo won't be there at all.



ETA: Quick Quiz (and NO Googling!)

Who is the touch judge at the right edge of the image?

Morrison?

Ian_Cook
01-07-19, 05:07
Morrison?


Nope!

I'll give a clue (which might actually confound more than help)

His son is also a referee, and officiated at the recent World U20 tournament.

L'irlandais
01-07-19, 07:07
Kapland (http://www.allblacks.com/News/23852/kaplan-bledisloe-cup-2000-my-favourite-test) has a son, only I have no idea if he has taken up the whistle.
Since Andre Watson (RSA) was the man in the midlle, I can only imagine JK’s involvement was on the touchline.


Only problem is World Rugby U20 Championship 2019 Match Officials Appointments (https://rugbyreferee.net/2019/04/24/strong-referees-squad-announced-for-world-rugby-u20s-championship/) don’t bear that out.

Spoiler (https://www.sareferees.com/News/u20-doleman-to-referee-the-final/2831302/)

Ian_Cook
01-07-19, 08:07
Kapland (http://www.allblacks.com/News/23852/kaplan-bledisloe-cup-2000-my-favourite-test) has a son, only I have no idea if he has taken up the whistle.
Since Andre Watson (RSA) was the man in the midlle, I can only imagine JK’s involvement was on the touchline.


Only problem is World Rugby U20 Championship 2019 Match Officials Appointments (https://rugbyreferee.net/2019/04/24/strong-referees-squad-announced-for-world-rugby-u20s-championship/) don’t bear that out.

Spoiler (https://www.sareferees.com/News/u20-doleman-to-referee-the-final/2831302/)


Nope.

Chris White (England) was running the other touchline

(Note: I haven't googled any of this. I've got the whole match on video tape, with an intro by one of my favourite Aussie Commentators, Gordon Bray

L'irlandais
01-07-19, 08:07
Well, at least I got the father and son part right.

Misread the Kapland article he was talking about the Wellington game.

L'irlandais
01-07-19, 09:07
Second spoiler (http://www.orfu.co.nz/Referees-2/Referees-Home)

crossref
01-07-19, 10:07
So what are the rules for sponsor logos in the RWC ?
Is every team allowed one logo, to be placed centrally on the sternum ?

Can it be any sponsor , or only the kit sponsor ?

Dickie E
01-07-19, 11:07
So what are the rules for sponsor logos in the RWC ?
Is every team allowed one logo, to be placed centrally on the sternum ?

Can it be any sponsor , or only the kit sponsor ?

If it's the same as 2015, ironically my old friend Qantas won't be on the Wallabies jumper

L'irlandais
01-07-19, 13:07
Tournament rules don't allow the All Blacks main sponsor, AIG, featuring on the jersey.


New Jersey revealed on Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1145426168268480512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1145426168268480512&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fm.sport24.co.za%2FRugby%2Fsn eak-peak-all-blacks-reveal-new-look-rwc-jersey-20190630):
What I don’t get is the light blue change strip has a big AIG logo across the middle.

Australia’s dark green with yellow (https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/wallabies/wallabies-reveal-new-world-cup-jersey-warning-for-doubters/news-story/82496aa08a7492e7b73f1e6d7535eb52) looks way to similar to RSA’s traditional colours.
Springboks have gone with a white change strip (https://intheloose.com/2019/04/25/springboks-2019-world-cup-jersey-revealed/), wtf?
Do teams deliberately try to create colour clashes?

crossref
01-07-19, 13:07
New Jersey revealed on Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1145426168268480512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1145426168268480512&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fm.sport24.co.za%2FRugby%2Fsn eak-peak-all-blacks-reveal-new-look-rwc-jersey-20190630):
What I don’t get is the light blue change strip has a big AIG logo across the middle.

i think that's a training shirt, not a change strip

L'irlandais
01-07-19, 13:07
Yes, you are probably right. Since they won’t be allowed wear it on match day inside any of the RWC stadiums.

Ian_Cook
01-07-19, 13:07
Tournament rules don't allow the All Blacks main sponsor, AIG, featuring on the jersey.


New Jersey revealed on Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1145426168268480512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1145426168268480512&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fm.sport24.co.za%2FRugby%2Fsn eak-peak-all-blacks-reveal-new-look-rwc-jersey-20190630):
What I don’t get is the light blue change strip has a big AIG logo across the middle.

Australia’s dark green with yellow (https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/wallabies/wallabies-reveal-new-world-cup-jersey-warning-for-doubters/news-story/82496aa08a7492e7b73f1e6d7535eb52) looks way to similar to RSA’s traditional colours.
Springboks have gone with a white change strip (https://intheloose.com/2019/04/25/springboks-2019-world-cup-jersey-revealed/), wtf?
Do teams deliberately try to create colour clashes?


Its not a change strip, its a training jersey. (see the bottom photo in Dickie's link in his OP)

Tournament rules allow individual sponsors logos on jerseys at training venues but not at match grounds

The All Blacks change strip is predominantly white

Lee Lifeson-Peart
01-07-19, 14:07
I'm not getting your argument here. The All Blacks shirt has had the Adidas logo over the right breast for almost 20 years

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/fqaLYeqlUePJEuO84VgSGTVkJ7Q=/360x384/filters:quality(70)/arc-anglerfish-syd-prod-nzme.s3.amazonaws.com/public/KVLKTZGERZFKFF4TBPBHHNDSBI.jpg
Lomu about to score in the the 2000 Sydney test.

Its only moved because the RWC logo has to go where the Adidas logo usually is.

If Adidas is not an official brand at RWC, that logo won't be there at all.



ETA: Quick Quiz (and NO Googling!)

Who is the touch judge at the right edge of the image?

I've googled it and I still don't know who it is! :)

3895

Looks like a greying Clem Burke - the drummer in Blondie/Ramones

L'irlandais
01-07-19, 14:07
I will grant you, the NZ Herald article is a whole lot clearer about the jersys that the AB’s Twitter account.
Wouldn’t it make sense to display the change strip at the launch, at the same time as the other two jerseys?

L'irlandais
01-07-19, 14:07
I've googled it and I still don't know who it is! :)

3895See my #08 for the answer. (Looks like he was doing the ZZ Top air guitar with the flag, as Lomu ran past.)
The clue was his son reff’d the U20s, see my #05

Lee Lifeson-Peart
01-07-19, 14:07
See my #08 for the answer. (Looks like he was doing the ZZ Top air guitar with the flag, as Lomu ran past.)
The clue was his son reff’d the U20s, see my #05

So who is it?

L'irlandais
01-07-19, 14:07
If you click on the spoiler link, you will see the answer. That way, others can carry on trying to guess if they have the inclination.
Second spoiler (http://www.orfu.co.nz/Referees-2/Referees-Home)

crossref
01-07-19, 14:07
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Tournament rules allow individual sponsors logos on jerseys at training venues but not at match grounds

The All Blacks change strip is predominantly white

Apart from the kit sponsor, right?

Who get the prime spot on the sternum

Pablo
01-07-19, 16:07
The All Blacks change strip is predominantly white

OUTRAGEOUS cultural appropriation of a kit colour historically associated with England! :sarc:

Ian_Cook
01-07-19, 22:07
Apart from the kit sponsor, right?

Who get the prime spot on the sternum


AFAIK yes.

What I mean is AIG (a Global Partner, not a kit supplier) can be on the training jerseys and seen at training venues but not at match grounds.

Ian_Cook
01-07-19, 22:07
OUTRAGEOUS cultural appropriation of a kit colour historically associated with England! :sarc:


One word..... "Anthracite"! :biggrin:

Ian_Cook
01-07-19, 22:07
I've googled it and I still don't know who it is! :)

3895

Looks like a greying Clem Burke - the drummer in Blondie/Ramones


OK, time to give it up - its Pablo DeLuca (Argentina). He was Argentina's first iRB international referee.

His son Pali DeLuca refereed at the recent WR U20 Championships. (Pali is actually a nickname, his real name is Pablo, like his father)

Lee Lifeson-Peart
02-07-19, 08:07
OK, time to give it up - its Pablo DeLuca (Argentina). He was Argentina's first iRB international referee.

His son Pali DeLuca refereed at the recent WR U20 Championships. (Pali is actually a nickname, his real name is Pablo, like his father)

Of course! :biggrin:

Drift
04-07-19, 04:07
Tournament rules don't allow the All Blacks main sponsor, AIG, featuring on the jersey.


New Jersey revealed on Twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/AllBlacks/status/1145426168268480512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1145426168268480512&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fm.sport24.co.za%2FRugby%2Fsn eak-peak-all-blacks-reveal-new-look-rwc-jersey-20190630):
What I don’t get is the light blue change strip has a big AIG logo across the middle.

Australia’s dark green with yellow (https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/wallabies/wallabies-reveal-new-world-cup-jersey-warning-for-doubters/news-story/82496aa08a7492e7b73f1e6d7535eb52) looks way to similar to RSA’s traditional colours.
Springboks have gone with a white change strip (https://intheloose.com/2019/04/25/springboks-2019-world-cup-jersey-revealed/), wtf?
Do teams deliberately try to create colour clashes?
The blue one is their training jersey. They have a white one for their change jersey.

Pinky
04-07-19, 18:07
The blue one is their training jersey. They have a white one for their change jersey.

Not just a training jersey as they seemed to be wearing blue shorts and socks too!

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I wonder what their change strip will be like? And when they will wear it?

L'irlandais
04-07-19, 19:07
It’s presumably to be the white strip, like last time. If they had something entirely new, they’d have shown it at the launch, right?
I have not found any images to support that, however this comment from the launch is clear enough
There have been suggestions the white alternative strip looks more like thermal underwear.

crossref
04-07-19, 19:07
They had a grey strip for one RWC , didn't they ? 2007?
I remember that dreadful game against Scotland , where Scotland literally didn't turn up (they rested the A team for the next game ) ... and both teams played in almost identical grey change strips. Not Scotland finest hour

tewdric
04-07-19, 19:07
Wales have posted a teaser for their RWC kit. It's red.

crossref
04-07-19, 19:07
They had a grey strip for one RWC , didn't they ? 2007?
I remember that dreadful game against Scotland , where Scotland literally didn't turn up (they rested the A team for the next game ) ... and both teams played in almost identical grey change strips. Not Scotland finest hour
3896

Zebra1922
05-07-19, 05:07
Never mind the kit, look at the size of SBWs quads!

Pablo
05-07-19, 10:07
One word..... "Anthracite"! :biggrin:

That was the joke...

:chin:

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Wales have posted a teaser for their RWC kit. It's red.

I'm shocked and surprised by this news!









And will probably still buy one...

Ian_Cook
05-07-19, 14:07
All Blacks alternative strip v France 2017

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i04d6io5j8cjbsj/Read_1120.jpg?raw=1

For the 2019 RWC, if they use it, the AIG logo will be removed, the Adidas logo will replace it, and the official World Rugby RWC Logo will go where the Adidas logo was.

The usually only wear it against Scotland or France if they wear their dark blue strip. I cant see them using it for the pool games as it would be unnecessary.

crossref
05-07-19, 15:07
I think all the teams normally wear the change strip in at least one pool game, to justify the sales of the replicas. It would be poor show to sell people a jersey that the team had never ever worn

Ian_Cook
05-07-19, 23:07
I think all the teams normally wear the change strip in at least one pool game, to justify the sales of the replicas. It would be poor show to sell people a jersey that the team had never ever worn

NZR do not have an "away strip". They have a policy that the alternative strip is only ever used when there is a potential colour clash.

Occasions at RWC where the All blacks have worn the Alternative kit....

1987 v Scotland 1/4 final - (colour clash)
1991 no
1995 v Scotland 1/4 final - (colour clash)
1999 They played Scotland in the 1/4 final, but the Scots wore Orange! GO figure
2003 no
2007 v Scotland Pool game - (colour clash) and v France 1/4 final (colour clash)
2011 no
2015 no

crossref
05-07-19, 23:07
It's ironic that in both 1999 and 2007 they could have worn the back kit.
Indeed in 2007 black would have been better, avoiding the blue/grey colour clash

Ian_Cook
06-07-19, 02:07
It's ironic that in both 1999 and 2007 they could have worn the back kit.
Indeed in 2007 black would have been better, avoiding the blue/grey colour clash

I think you misunderstood my post

They did wear the black kit against Scotland in 1999 because the Scots wore Orange.

They had to wear the change kit in 2007 against France

L'irlandais
06-07-19, 15:07
To be honest, I think the Scottish orange strip is a good solution. All teams should have an orange change strip. Then one or other team wears Orange when a colour clash occurs. End of the age old problem.

Rich_NL
06-07-19, 17:07
To be honest, I think the Scottish orange strip is a good solution. All teams should have an orange change strip. Then one or other team wears Orange when a colour clash occurs. End of the age old problem.

And the Dutch don't need a change strip at all :D

L'irlandais
06-07-19, 17:07
Hadn’t thought of them. Good point. Netherlands, can be the exception that proves the rule, with a dark, or light change strip and Orange as their home colours. The point is to eliminate the real avoidable colour clashes (like the Grey and Black v Black and Grey in #31) which are becoming more and more fréquent, as Unions try to shamelessly maximise their merchandising.
Anyway, at 25th in the WR rankings, they’ll not be causing any colour clashes at this RWC. Now if they can train up another 23 Tim Vissers then the World will have to sit up and take notice. A team needs to be consistently in the top twenty to entertain RWC hopes.

A lot of Elite squads have fluorescent training strips. It wouldn’t be all that difficult to identify half a dozen fluorescent options and WR just impose them on unions. World amateur boxing has a Red corner versus a Blue corner; but hey we all know WR’s policy is «*Why keep it simple? When you could simply choose to be stupid.»

L'irlandais
06-07-19, 18:07
This happened in the European Cup this season too. With (EPRC) imposing on Glasgow to wear the change strip against Cardiff in Cardiff. Skyblue/grey v skyblue exacerbated by blinding sunshine. Nice one.
For which they had to apologise after (https://www.the42.ie/cardiff-glasgow-kit-clash-4299372-Oct2018/)
Traditionally it has been the home side who wear their second-choice shirt if there is a colour clash.Why do governing bodies feel the need to stick their noses in? Glasgow should have played in their Club colours and the Home team shouldn’t have needed any change to accommodate that.
If they left it to the match referee to decide on match day, that would eliminate any clashes that slip thru’ the net.

Ian_Cook
06-07-19, 23:07
This happened in the European Cup this season too. With (EPRC) imposing on Glasgow to wear the change strip against Cardiff in Cardiff. Skyblue/grey v skyblue exacerbated by blinding sunshine. Nice one.
For which they had to apologise after (https://www.the42.ie/cardiff-glasgow-kit-clash-4299372-Oct2018/)
Traditionally it has been the home side who wear their second-choice shirt if there is a colour clash.Why do governing bodies feel the need to stick their noses in? Glasgow should have played in their Club colours and the Home team shouldn’t have needed any change to accommodate that.
If they left it to the match referee to decide on match day, that would eliminate any clashes that slip thru’ the net.


"But under tournament rules, teams must submit two kit designs to EPCR before the start of the competition and a fortnight before each fixture officials tell them which strip they will be wearing."

Well this is just a plain stupid rule. Anyone with an ounce of commonsense could see that eventually, something like the Glasgow/Cardiff situation would happen.

In our National Provincial Championship, there is no "rule" as such, but there is a competition playing condition

4.2 Playing jerseys

4.2.1 All jerseys must be numbered 1 –23

4.2.2 Should jerseys clash, the visiting team should wear an alternative strip.

That's it. We just leave it to the teams to sort out.

As far as I know, its the same for Super Rugby.

Lee Lifeson-Peart
08-07-19, 18:07
Hadn’t thought of them. Good point. Netherlands, can be the exception that proves the rule, with a dark, or light change strip and Orange as their home colours. The point is to eliminate the real avoidable colour clashes (like the Grey and Black v Black and Grey in #31) which are becoming more and more fréquent, as Unions try to shamelessly maximise their merchandising.
Anyway, at 25th in the WR rankings, they’ll not be causing any colour clashes at this RWC. Now if they can train up another 23 Tim Vissers then the World will have to sit up and take notice. A team needs to be consistently in the top twenty to entertain RWC hopes.

A lot of Elite squads have fluorescent training strips. It wouldn’t be all that difficult to identify half a dozen fluorescent options and WR just impose them on unions. World amateur boxing has a Red corner versus a Blue corner; but hey we all know WR’s policy is «*Why keep it simple? When you could simply choose to be stupid.»

Cote D'Ivoire - they played in Orange in 1995 - against Scotland.

L'irlandais
08-07-19, 20:07
Second Exception that proves the never say never rule? Luckily Scotland hadn’t printed their Orange jerseys back then or it’d have been a first, all Orange colour clash. Since, 43rd is the highest they’ve been on the World rankings and with only 470 registered Senior players in the country, I doubt they will be posing any colour clashes at the WRC in the near future.