A few questions.

[Marc Wakeham]

Here's a scenario from a game I did a couple of weeks ago.

I was an AR. Other AR has AR'd in the Championship.

Anyway let's call the player Red 7 for consistency's sake.

White 9 goes to kick box or otherwise - doesn't matter - and ball is charged down by Red 7 about 2-3 metres from the GL. Ball goes through in goal and over dead ball line.

Restart?

Line 5 of the USA guidelines:

Who put the ball into in goal / Attackers / Charge down from FOP / 22m Drop out.


That's what I'd go for.

 

[Mipper]

At least 35 years . I recall watching a 5N game in the early very 90s where a knock on into in-goal, and made dead, was awarded as a 5m scrum and me and chums were wondering why it wasn't to be a 22m drop out under advantage.

I was actually wondering, not about the knock-on into in-goal, but about the “too much advantage” that I read as being a current thing.

 

[Marc Wakeham]

I was actually wondering, not about the knock-on into in-goal, but about the “too much advantage” that I read as being a current thing.

That is how it was generally explained about 10 years ago.

 

[didds]

I was actually wondering, not about the knock-on into in-goal, but about the “too much advantage” that I read as being a current thing.

... which was the thinking behind the example I provided from 35 years ago

 

[Mipper]

... which was the thinking behind the example I provided from 35 years ago

Yes that is interesting, but that wasn’t my question. I do believe I know the answer now though

 

[Decorily]

I was actually wondering, not about the knock-on into in-goal, but about the “too much advantage” that I read as being a current thing.

It was seen as too much advantage in that a defender could pick up a spilled ball and sprint to the 22, potentially behind the entire opposition and take a quick kick to himself and run to score.

 

[Rich_NL]

7.3.f advantage must not be applied... When the ball is made dead.

 

[Camquin]

I do not think that means what you think it means.

Say Red offend, Blue kick the ball into the in-goal and red make it dead, what do you do?
Of course, you go back for the penalty.

But if Red puts a foot in touch then tries to pass and blue intercepts and runs clear to the try line, then you call him back.

 

[Marc Wakeham]

I do not think that means what you think it means.

Say Red offend, Blue kick the ball into the in-goal and red make it dead, what do you do?
Of course, you go back for the penalty.

But if Red puts a foot in touch then tries to pass and blue intercepts and runs clear to the try line, then you call him back.

So:
In case 1 no advantage accrued so you go back. (You played advantage, but it did not occur - Ball was not dead.)

In case two advantage can't be played (You do not play advantage because the ball is dead)

 

[Rich_NL]

I do not think that means what you think it means.

Say Red offend, Blue kick the ball into the in-goal and red make it dead, what do you do?
Of course, you go back for the penalty.

But if Red puts a foot in touch then tries to pass and blue intercepts and runs clear to the try line, then you call him back.

That's not a good example.

If the ball is made dead (or someone is lifted in the scrum, or it wheels, or any of the other examples in the law), you blow your whistle and go back to the scrum/penalty you're playing advantage for. This is what the law means. You can't make the ball dead to profit from a restart.

 

[crossref]

. You can't make the ball dead to profit from a restart.

That idea would prevent you from taking advantage by scoring a try!

 

[Rich_NL]

That idea would prevent you from taking advantage by scoring a try!

You're not profiting from a restart there, you're profiting from points. The restart 50m back is pretty disadvantageous