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France v Italy YC

Dickie E

Dickie E


Referees in Australia
At 3:39 in this clip:

I thought the Italian player (Lynagh) was very unlucky to be penalised (& YC) for the deliberate knock on and was milked by the French players. IMO he had eyes only for the tackle.
I note that he may have been offside but that's not what the PK was for.
Thoughts?
 
I'd tend to agree, although it's hard to see. Since the ref is the other side of the players, perhaps it was called in by the AR who was closer?
 
id also agree - but this is how they get blown, rightly or wrongly. In some ways it is a "consistent" call even if the reality of each case may be very different.
 
didds said:
id also agree - but this is how they get blown, rightly or wrongly. In some ways it is a "consistent" call even if the reality of each case may be very different.
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In Law Application Guideline - January 2023 WR appears to be instructing referees to be very certain before blowing for deliberate KO
 
Dickie E said:
In Law Application Guideline - January 2023 WR appears to be instructing referees to be very certain before blowing for deliberate KO
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so presumably the ref in question was "very certain".

Or didnt get the memo....
 
When reviewing the PT the ref said offside and deliberate knock-on so he was presumably taking both into account.

I reckon you guys are being very generous here. Lynagh knew exactly what he was doing there, getting his hand right in the passing lane, as any pro rugby player would know.
Players must endeavour to catch the ball. Referees are asked to show good judgement when deciding if a player has a reasonable expectation of catching and gaining possession, and then in determining a sanction. There is no formula for determining a Yellow Card sanction in these situations.
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This is what the guideline says
 
France at home with that crowd it's only going one way.

I was more concerned in the one he got called against Ireland where I feel he had a very real chance in catching a looping pass but didn't quite get the height.
 
What's not shown in the highlights is that the referee went time off and consulted the TMO about the infringement and also the possibility of awarding a penalty try but concluded there was sufficient cover. IMO I don't think Lynagh can complain. He's also offside playing the 9 having not retreated to an onside position before coming forward. Pick your YC offence really!
 
>>> Players must endeavour to catch the ball. Referees are asked to show good judgement when deciding if a player has a reasonable expectation of catching and gaining possession, and then in determining a sanction. There is no formula for
>>> determining a Yellow Card sanction in these situations.

That does rather presuppose that the intention is always to catch the ball.

As oppose to tackle the ball carrier and one arm in the wrap gets hit by a pass.

Hence my point above about "but this is how they get blown, rightly or wrongly. "

the view that the actual knock on is accidental (eg in a tackle) is just ignored.
 
shep said:
I reckon you guys are being very generous here. Lynagh knew exactly what he was doing there, getting his hand right in the passing lane, as any pro rugby player would know.
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I know we're talking micro-seconds but I don't think there's an obligation for a tackler not to have his hand in the passing lane. In fact, it is a sensible thing to do
 
Dickie E said:
I know we're talking micro-seconds but I don't think there's an obligation for a tackler not to have his hand in the passing lane. In fact, it is a sensible thing to do
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there's an issue here as well because if the tackler didnt have an arm in a potential passing lane there's a possible accusation of not attempting to wrap in the tackle!
 
I had to slow the video right down, and to me the Italian player’s eyes are on the ball not the player, so he knew where his hand was going so deliberate seems a fair call.

(Not that I’d have spotted it in real-time.)
 
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