Grounding the ball unintentionally
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I wonder if it’s also got “and let the scrum half feed to the 2nd row of the scrum to speed things up”?
They are professionals aren't they?
Should up their skill levels then.
Next thing you'll be telling me we will allow squint throws at line outs as nobody competes and it is therefore immaterial.
But did Pink 9 lift? Certainly had 2 hands on the ball and multiple shuffles and it was outside the ruck hence Yellow scored.
It only gets too complicated and takes too long because we have allowed the aberration of the caterpillar -
It only gets too complicated and takes too long because we have allowed the aberration of the caterpillar -
- get rid of the caterpillar
- scrum half doesn't need to delve in as the ball should present easily and can be brought back with the foot
- play the ball from the base of the ruck
- quicker games
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I just tried looking this up, that account has only posted (publicly) twice since August and they’re both kicking videos. Not sure if it’s private, or he pulled the post, or someone spoofed it to begin with.
According to Texas Refs it was issued in Dubai.
There has been no word from USA R so it is not in force
And I bet for most of those, when the 9 eventually lifted and stepped back to box kick that the winger was already in front (offside) and gaining an advantage in getting to the point where the ball alights and putting pressure on the catcher.
But it's not material therefore we just play on
But it's not material therefore we just play on
Ciaran Trainor
Referees in England
Not in my games, pulled at least 3 up on Saturday!And I bet for most of those, when the 9 eventually lifted and stepped back to box kick that the winger was already in front (offside) and gaining an advantage in getting to the point where the ball alights and putting pressure on the catcher.
But it's not material therefore we just play on
didds
Resident Club Coach
but then why would you slap the ball dead, instead of just pressing it ? apart from brain farts of course.
Because you (the player) don't know the laws of the game?
(Just about every league convert over the years gets this one wrong in rugby union)
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The law clearly state that picking up is not grounding 21.2.
The first offence would be offside by pink 9 when he comes in front of the last foot.
See 15.4 - there is even a picture. The yellow player is shown as offside, and her side has won the ball.
Then hands in the ruck.
The nine certainly did not have hands on the ball before the ruck was formed - and so cannot touch it until the ruck is over.
But there must be a different law book for top level refs - as they permit both of these every ruck.
Mind you, outside France, they also permit crooked feeds at the scrum.
The law is poorly worded on when a player not in the ruck can play the ball.
It merely says that once the ball is clearly won, the ref shall ball use it and the ball must be played away within five seconds.
So we have to assume that a player who is onside can play the ball.
How hard would it be for the laws to have a clause such as:
15.xx Any player who is onside may reach into the ruck and play the ball away, provided they do so in a single continuous motion.
But if you do not penalise the 9, I do not see a clear and obvious grounding by pink.
As soon as the ball is on the line, yellow are fine to come through.
The first offence would be offside by pink 9 when he comes in front of the last foot.
See 15.4 - there is even a picture. The yellow player is shown as offside, and her side has won the ball.
Then hands in the ruck.
The nine certainly did not have hands on the ball before the ruck was formed - and so cannot touch it until the ruck is over.
But there must be a different law book for top level refs - as they permit both of these every ruck.
Mind you, outside France, they also permit crooked feeds at the scrum.
The law is poorly worded on when a player not in the ruck can play the ball.
It merely says that once the ball is clearly won, the ref shall ball use it and the ball must be played away within five seconds.
So we have to assume that a player who is onside can play the ball.
How hard would it be for the laws to have a clause such as:
15.xx Any player who is onside may reach into the ruck and play the ball away, provided they do so in a single continuous motion.
But if you do not penalise the 9, I do not see a clear and obvious grounding by pink.
As soon as the ball is on the line, yellow are fine to come through.