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School game, trees overhang pitch.

Green kick for touch. Ball gets caught in tree branches for a full 30 seconds and then drops back in the field of play.

Your decision.
 
I would have thought you would have blown well before 30 seconds was up, and If kick for touch was penalty I would have given the lineout at the place the ball went out to the greens, think no one could argue that was not fair, if not a penalty then linout at place ball got caught to the other team, sportsmanship is what I would explain it as.

What did you give?
 
Robert Burns said:
I would have thought you would have blown well before 30 seconds was up, and If kick for touch was penalty I would have given the lineout at the place the ball went out to the greens, think no one could argue that was not fair, if not a penalty then linout at place ball got caught to the other team, sportsmanship is what I would explain it as.

What did you give?
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Lineout to green opposition.

Point taken about blowing up before 30 secs, but I had one of those blank moments whilst I thought about what I should call. Silly really, it is a starightforward call, but given the unusual occurence, it did make me think twice.
 
Robert Burns said:
lol, yeah, the "ah shit what do I give here" moments

must have been amusing
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Those blank days hit us all. Pre match pitch inspections which one hopes all refs do will cover such items as overhanging branches when the unwritten law is if it hits the branches which overhang the pitch then touch is at that point if kicked within the 22 or from a penalty award elsewhere.
 
pricci said:
School game, trees overhang pitch.
Green kick for touch. Ball gets caught in tree branches for a full 30 seconds and then drops back in the field of play.
Your decision.
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Hmmm... intriguing!! The above doesn't include any mention of "local rules" which might have been explained prior to kick off to all sides and the ref etc...

Presuming that as a ref one wouldn't stand ariound beneath ball waiting for it to drop for so long, presumably (?) one would have blown earlier and awarded a scrum to the attacking side (or possibly team "not responsible for the stoppage") .

didds
 
if the ball was obviously going out I see no need for the scrum, as long as it's consistent with both sides I don't think anyone could argue the toss. Get the president to have a chat with the groundsman, lol.
 
Plod said:
when the unwritten law is if it hits the branches which overhang the pitch then touch .
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Not so much unwriten, as specifically covered in the good book.

The ball is in touch when it is not being carried by a player and it touches the
touch-line or anything or anyone on or beyond the touch-line.

The tree is in touch. The branch is part of the tree.
 
thats very logical.

although i would have given the correct decision, I never looked at it that way.
 
On the subject of outside the field of play interference and with reference to the dog on the pitch at Caldy vHarrogate,what are the laws / guidance to spectator or other outside interference which may impede one side or the other ?
 
Bumping a 9.5 year old thread.......is this some kind of anniversary celebration?
 
Davet said:
Not so much unwriten, as specifically covered in the good book. The ball is in touch when it is not being carried by a player and it touches the touch-line or anything or anyone on or beyond the touch-line. The tree is in touch. The branch is part of the tree.
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I'm not so sure Davet.

A player standing in touch can slap a ball provided the ball hasn't crossed the plane of touch. The player is in touch - his arms are part of the player. Why is the tree treated any different?

Personally I would have given a scrum under the "Bloody hell. I've not seen that before Regulations 2013". Throw in to the attacking team.

BTW - anyone know where Davet is these days? He hasn't logged on since the 20th July. Pity, because a lot of his posts made a lot sense, and had a way of breaking down complicated situations to manageable chunks.
 
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Taff said:
BTW - anyone know where Davet is these days? He hasn't logged on since the 20th July. Pity, because a lot of his posts made a lot sense, and had a way of breaking down complicated situations to manageable chunks.
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don't forget his 'way' of not abusing posters who disagreed with him :sarc:
 
Therefore if a spectator or dog etc enters the field of play,do they then bring the status of ''in touch'' onto the field with them ?
 
wrighty said:
Therefore if a spectator or dog etc enters the field of play,do they then bring the status of ''in touch'' onto the field with them ?
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It's never happened to me, but if a dog ran on an attacked the ball, personally I would play on unless it disadvantaged on side or the other.

If it did disadvantage one of them, personally I would blow up and :norc: Bonzo (I wouldn't really but you get my drift) and go for a scrum at the place of the incident - attacking ball.

Although I can't find it this minute, there is a law that says if play has to be stopped for unforseen circumstances, we restart with a scrum. It's a very useful law to remember when we get one of those "What the hell do I do now?" moments. I've used it myself when I awarded a "try" on the 5m line. :redface:
 
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Taff said:
It's never happened to me, but if a dog ran on an attacked the ball, personally I would play on unless it disadvantaged on side or the other.
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It happened to me once when playing. The opposition were in black and white. A black and white dog ran on to the pitch and, as the ball was passed to me, he went for the ball and got me instead. It took us quite a while to catch the dog, who obviously thought we were playing games with him, and finally one of the spectators took him away.

We restarted with a scrum.
 
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