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Gut says no, but can’t find a law reference (did we lose it in the shuffle?). I wouldn’t allow the binned play on until the restart, if no restart then stays off
 
crossref said:
Yes , (indeed that is what happened in the game I just watched) , and thanks for your in depth knowledge 😄 but my question is : what is correct in law?
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That is correct in law....if the referee lets the player rreturn then they are free to participate, ie take the kick in this scenario.
 
If the time is up on the bin then he should be allowed back on how can you not let him back on?

But I would say after the kick and before the restart.
 
Watching the game earlier, I made myself make a decision in real time (realistically 3 or 4 seconds probably) I decided 'no', he couldn't come back and take the kick
The ref allowed him

I really don't know what the correct decision in law is
 
Law clarification 2-12, in relation to law 5.7(e), as it was, would suggest he can’t come on because the ball is not dead until after the conversion.
 
Balones said:
Law clarification 2-12, in relation to law 5.7(e), as it was, would suggest he can’t come on because the ball is not dead until after the conversion.
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Definition says "dead" is when the referee blows whistle to stop play eg surely when a try is scored?
 
Dickie E said:
Definition says "dead" is when the referee blows whistle to stop play eg surely when a try is scored?
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Do we blow to stop play when a try is scored? At that point the conversion clock is running so we’re not really dead, we are potentially after the conversion attempt (as per definitions), so that feels like a good time to allow subs, bun back on etc?
 
Dickie E said:
Definition says "dead" is when the referee blows whistle to stop play eg surely when a try is scored?
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Can’t disagree with you. It’s a messy situation. There are lots of contradictions within the laws, definitions and the clarifications. It seems to me that the only situation where the ball is dead is when the referee says it is. As per clarification 1-21 perhaps. I have to admit to being fed up and frustrated with the inconsistency surrounding this issue/topic for practically all my rugby career. And that’s a long time!
 
I think with the stipulation that the kick has to be taken “within 60 seconds (playing time) from the time the try was awarded” indicates that the ball isn’t really dead once we award a try. In that case the binned player has to wait until after the kick is taken or the 60s is used up.
 
Volun-selected said:
I think with the stipulation that the kick has to be taken “within 60 seconds (playing time) from the time the try was awarded” indicates that the ball isn’t really dead once we award a try. In that case the binned player has to wait until after the kick is taken or the 60s is used up.
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I like this logic, and in the absence of any official direction on this, I reckon I wouldn’t let the carded player back until after the kick is taken.
 
Volun-selected said:
I think with the stipulation that the kick has to be taken “within 60 seconds (playing time) from the time the try was awarded” indicates that the ball isn’t really dead once we award a try. In that case the binned player has to wait until after the kick is taken or the 60s is used up.
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Scrums & lineouts have stipulated time limits. Does that mean the ball isn't really dead for these stoppages?
 
If you have a game with rolling subs, can a kicker roll in after the try, slot the conversion and roll back out again?

I don't consider the try-conversion period to be a time for substitutions, players coming on, questions from the captain... the players are still under restrictions as to where they have to stand, how they can behave, when the charge-down attempt can start etc... play is ongoing.
 
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