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You can't take a second quick tap Urban myth

Ciaran Trainor

Ciaran Trainor


Referees in England
Interesting debate at our society meeting last night, the "you can't take a second tap/ quick tap" Urban Myth.
A lot of debate but I'm still convinced you can and can't find anywhere that says you can't in the laws.
Consider the scenario red awarded penalty for hands in ruck.
Red Scrum half gets the ball ask for mark, taps it and sets off but is held be blue after 5 M.
You award second penalty and walk a further 5 M to where blue should have been and make the mark awarding penalty for not 10.
Red Scrum half on mark, taps ball and goes again.
There is nothing in the laws to say he can't is there.

Admittedly this could be a management scenario, you shouldn't rush to new mark, just walk and depending on if a card is appropriate or "heat" of game you may want to slow it down but I am right i think!
 
You can most definitely take a second quick tap. As you have said, the only caveat is the need for the referee to give the mark. Just another urban myth. Most likely permeated from down in the weeds where the referee is going to be slower to get to and give the second mark.
 
My view :

- the team can take any kind of PK they like, once the ref has made a mark. Including a tap.

- the ref should be careful that the time taken to move to the spot and make the mark needs to be fair to both teams (and LOT of context and "it depends" is needed to make that judgement. It's not the same speed every time)
 
Ciaran Trainor said:
Interesting debate at our society meeting last night, the "you can't take a second tap/ quick tap" Urban Myth.
A lot of debate but I'm still convinced you can and can't find anywhere that says you can't in the laws.
Consider the scenario red awarded penalty for hands in ruck.
Red Scrum half gets the ball ask for mark, taps it and sets off but is held be blue after 5 M.
You award second penalty and walk a further 5 M to where blue should have been and make the mark awarding penalty for not 10.
Red Scrum half on mark, taps ball and goes again.
There is nothing in the laws to say he can't is there.

Admittedly this could be a management scenario, you shouldn't rush to new mark, just walk and depending on if a card is appropriate or "heat" of game you may want to slow it down but I am right i think!
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So did your Society reach consensus on how this was to be managed?
 
Ciaran Trainor said:
Yes. You can take a second or third tap once the ref has made the mark and the tap is taken at that point.
Ref should walk to the next spot, not run or jog, so the opposition can make the effort to get back on side.
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This seems basically fine. BUT I think we need to think about the 'walk' bit. The offending team committed the offence because the quick tap was quick and they weren't ready. The referee them helps them put by slowing everything down.

You need to be careful here, or you reward the offenders. If you are going to walk , and slow things up (good to keep control) then maybe a YC , otherwise the offenders have got what they wanted

It kinda depends how cynical the offence was, and position on field etc etc
 
SimonSmith said:
If the defenders have prevented a quick tap from being taken, or have failed to retreat 10m, then there's a statistically significant chance a card is coming out.
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A card also calms it all, and enables everyone to be naturally in the right place before restarting
 
I see it as similar to the intentional knock-on policy: is there a good chance of a break/score, are we in the red zone, it's a card. Is the rest of the defence pretty solid in retreat and it's an oxygen-starved prop 5m back who automatically goes for the tackle, maybe not so much. A brisk walk is usually a good balance to keep defenders on their toes at my level.
 
Speaking of "urban myths" and intentional knock ons. On Saturday we had a PK miss wide of posts. Green player catches the ball and sets off. His attempted pass to his winger is knocked on by red trying to intercept the pass. In the middle of the field I've no doubt we'd be in PK and maybe YC territory but referee didn't see that way. Red then "tell me" you can't knock on in in-goal. I ask them "are you being serious?"

These people get paid to play this sport - unbelievable Jeff!!
 
Lee Lifeson-Peart said:
Speaking of "urban myths" and intentional knock ons. On Saturday we had a PK miss wide of posts. Green player catches the ball and sets off. His attempted pass to his winger is knocked on by red trying to intercept the pass. In the middle of the field I've no doubt we'd be in PK and maybe YC territory but referee didn't see that way. Red then "tell me" you can't knock on in in-goal. I ask them "are you being serious?"

These people get paid to play this sport - unbelievable Jeff!!
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What's unbelievable is that the Green catcher passed to a team mate in-goal while Red player was in position to possibly intercept 😬
Was the restart a TLDO?
 
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