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These are not signals.

They are laws.

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makes sense - tx ... THIS is why I come here to learn :-)

To me the ghorizontal arms thing is to indicate a back-foot-of-the-maul/ruck ...
didds

I see the problemn with that is once you go down that path every player will end up with an allegation from a TJ against them (for 2 x TJs one each side) and everybody then has to be squeacky clean...

And in RFU land anyways, AIUI anybody that refs a game howsoever ending up in that position, is insured under RFU insiurance. So I dont see why that woudbe any different for an AR.

So the real...

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Indeed... like running CPD Scrum factory courses to be told at registration by X that he played at level 3 for 12 years at prop and he's only here because its a box tick and he wont learn...

is it a case of (perceived anyway)

then there is only ONE AR and thus ONE side has a TJ and the other doesn't (implications of (unconcious?) bias...)

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"can" being the operative word of course.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/61892.stm

Bit of New Year fun?

What's your worst refereeing nightmare - either imagined (keeps you awake at nights fearing it may happen) or real (keeps you awake at night recalling it)?

I'm obvs not a...

Excellent points Flish. As you point out though its probably a paucity of decent enough video at a suitable level, or games in time slots where several refs can all make it - on top of their normal...

AC - many many years ago I joined these groups to both educate myself but also help refs understand what players and coaches are trying to do - as there was a clear disconnect both ways.

Part of...

whilst I dont disgree per se, that latter scenario ismnt far off. as it is there isnt much to be gained by putting more than a jackler in at most tackles-cum-rucks as as soon as the attacking side...

My entire points. If it NEVER got permitted then it would NEVER get coached. Somebody SOMEWHERE is permitting it. And if those people include society refs then societies are also culpable.

Two...

hmmm... back in the mists of time... maybe it was!

Id like to suggest for consideration the decision made by our ref at Ivel Barbariabns II v Devizes II on one occassion.

Whereby our lineout throw in was prevented going 5m by the IB second row at...

And now we are in the position of defenders not biothering to try and compete bexcause they are now expecting the roll for time and knock defnders over (takes feet away)... so now there is no...

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oh - I've only mentioned colts becasue I have actually seen someone coaching rolling to an U17s squad and was frankly appalled (on many levels and many reasons).

I've seen it from u16 certainly...

I think youve hit a nail on the head there then - seeing as it clearly from that isnt society pushed.

Some refs do, some refs dont, nobody eg society addressed it, yet everyone is amazed that...

accept that reasoning.

This however still doesnt explain why the players were not pinged at their community club level for it when they did it?

Is that becasue elite refs trickle down to some...

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yes. I get that.

But why are they being coached it if it would always histrically been pinged?

Coaches only coach stuff - in the past - that has been allowed. there is nothing to gain by...

oh dear.

Im sure wales would have preferred the scrum 10m out than a kick at goal though.

and quite rightly too.

Which rather begs the quesation how this "tactic" was permitted in the first place?

Or if you like, if it was beign coached, and used, it was being permitted by people...