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Scrum ends when ball is out - Ruck ends when ball leaves.

Difference intentional or not? Is there a difference?

In practice just need to be consistent - surely?

Agree with your setiments entirely OB!

Some will recall that when this 'yes 9' instruction was introduced there was much debate about it being a temptation for the early push etc. There were even...

Have no recollection of what I 'predicted' but think it was pretty simple repetitive stuff. And I didn't change anything at any time during the series. Clearly if I had thought about it carefully...

Can honestly say that in post match debrief for the last 3 appointed observations, the scrum has been a minor matter. Refs and players with good commonsense are making it work well and getting on...

I find your posting difficult to accept as a serious comment. Some might find it offensive. Particularly yellow #3.

Some might think it worth having a quiet word with the chap to get the full facts. To make a snap decision on the basis of first appearance could prove to be somewhat risky. Whatever decision is...

Well if you see it being done in a clear consistent manner so that only the SH putting the ball in hears the Y9 then do say. Practical observation may be of more value than theory? :-)

The 6 referees I have watched so far (panel to L10 in friendlies) have all been consistently clear and audible with 'yes 9' and had no problems whatsoever.

I do of course still respect the views...

Well it doesn't actually seem as if anybody on this board actually is having 'such a problem' with Yes 9.

But it is nice to have a bit of open discussion about a significant change and consider...

So that is why all my postings have been erased then?! Only kidding - I think...

Excellent! Job well done! I appreciate what your assessor was saying but hope you will remember what worked on this occasion and that it achieved what the procedure is trying to achieve. Nice to...

Certainly appreciate the logic of the theory! :smile: However, we have to consider that you will not always be standing next to the SH putting it in - I hope; so when the other side of the scrum...

But I would expect the ref to be clear and consistent in communications.

And I suppose that the none putting in SH who calls 'squeeze' or something similar to his forwards as soon as the ref has whispered 'yes 9' would be penalised for err what? Not within the spirit of...

Agree with Simon. The best communicators only need to be miked up to the observer so he can keep tabs on the 'quiet word' that may spoken from time to time. (unless crowd noise excessive!!) ...

Don't know you're born!! We wore blue serge shorts, shirt with collar and an old blazer! At least we were warm and the blazer had pockets for essentials like packet of fags etc...

One just hopes that sponsors never hit on the idea of 'kit' for Observers.

And how about a mouthguard for referees in view of the risk of high speed contact?

My concern was, Simon, that having ticked the MO box then my comment would be lost - so I ticked 'other' in (vain) hope that there would be some consideration given to the roles you have listed. ...

As far as I recall it was the cries of Peter that eventually were ignored - not the presence of the wolf.

Hearing a SH claim this that and the other is hardly a new phenomenon - some may feel this claim should be treated the same as all the others. One is reminded of Peter and the wolf - they never...

So good to read of such a positive approach to the changes!

No doubt those who go looking for problems will find them, whereas you are looking to manage the challenges - and succeeding.

Surprised no specific category for 'Observer' - but then not really surprised by anything from the IRB.

Nothing but likely problems and reasons why things will go awry...

Or is it just refs getting their excuses in early for not being able to manage it?

Looking forward to 'observing' for real...

There is some sound thinking there!! Rigid consistent application of the law from the start is essential. If the referees start easing off then the players will capitalise and feel they do not have...