Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 21

Thread: 2nd rows ST&E

      
  1. #1

    Resident Club Coach
    didds's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    N/A
    Grade
    Club Coach
    Join Date
    27 Jan 04
    Posts
    10,476

    Default 2nd rows ST&E

    I vaguely recall somebody posting a link to some regs that showed that at youth levels 2nd rows should also be ST7E.

    This may have been in England only, or global, or some other Union.

    Can anybody jog my memory? And potentially provide the link again?

    cheers

    didds

  2. #2

    Referees in England
    Dixie's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    Retired from Berkshire
    Grade
    8
    Join Date
    26 Oct 06
    Posts
    12,770

    Default Re: 2nd rows ST&E

    RFU Reg 15 Appendix 2 para 5.5.4

    5.5.4 When a normal scrum takes place, the players in the three front-row positions and the two lock positions must have been suitably trained for those positions.


    http://rfu.com/TheGame/~/media/Files...endix%202.ashx
    Don't feed the pedant!

  3. #3

    Resident Club Coach
    didds's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    N/A
    Grade
    Club Coach
    Join Date
    27 Jan 04
    Posts
    10,476

    Default Re: 2nd rows ST&E

    cheers dixie!

    didds

  4. #4

    Referees in Wales
    Taff's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    Llanelli District
    Grade
    WRU Level 2
    Join Date
    23 Aug 09
    Posts
    6,938

    Default Re: 2nd rows ST&E

    But having played 2nd Row myself, I still don't know what "specialist" training I needed for that position.

    You could write down all the specialist scrum training I had on the back of an envelope.

  5. #5

    Referees in England


    Soc/Assoc
    London
    Grade
    Level 6+1
    Join Date
    08 Nov 07
    Posts
    3,431

    Default Re: 2nd rows ST&E

    (c)M Johnson

    'Bend down and push'

    Training over

  6. #6

    Referees in England


    Soc/Assoc
    --
    Grade
    Grassroots
    Join Date
    14 Sep 09
    Posts
    19,259

    Default Re: 2nd rows ST&E

    there is a lesson two: bend down and push harder

    actually at age group level there is ONE technical bit of knowledge the 2nd row needs, and that's to know the restriction on binding on the prop: at young levels it can't be between the legs. (I can't remember when that changes - U13?)

  7. #7

    Referees in England
    Davet's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    Hampshire RURS (UK)
    Grade
    Society Assessor
    Join Date
    27 Jan 04
    Posts
    12,731

    Default Re: 2nd rows ST&E

    It's a safety issue- there is scope for injuring their own prop if they simply "push hard" regardless - if the FR goes down they need to stop pushing, they must ensure they don't push so hard from the back that the prop who is getting pushed hard the opposite way by his opponents gets his spine bent double, or his arse lifted into the air and feet dangling.... etc.

    So I would see training, and some experience as being quite important here.
    “We raise the watchword, liberty. We will, we will, we will be free!"
    George Loveless 1834
    Of more worth is one honest man to society and in the sight of God, than all the crowned ruffians that ever lived.
    Thomas Paine 1776
    FREE All of PUSSY RIOT - JAIL PUTIN

  8. #8

    Referees in England
    Simon Thomas's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    Hampshire / Southern Federation
    Grade
    RFU Group Match Observer
    Join Date
    03 Dec 03
    Posts
    12,846

    Default Re: 2nd rows ST&E

    the RFU Reg 15 Youth Variations Front 5 appendix came out of the risk aversion / safeguarding paranioa a few seasons ago.

  9. #9

    Referees in England


    Soc/Assoc
    --
    Grade
    Grassroots
    Join Date
    14 Sep 09
    Posts
    19,259

    Default Re: 2nd rows ST&E

    I think it's OK, to be honest.

    What it says is very mild...

    5.5.4 When a normal scrum takes place, the players in the three front-row positions and the two lock positions must have been suitably trained for those positions.


    for those positions.

    I would completely agree, and I think so would any coach that before sending a 12 year old out to be 2nd row, you would give him some training. But it's pretty clear that 2nd row isn't as technical as prop, so the amount of training needed is likely to be less, which the RFU recognise by saying 'for those positions'

    At pinch, I would say that any player could safely pack down at flanker or #8, with no training.
    But I would agree that it wouldn't be right to suddenly pick on a hapless 14 year old full back in the middle of a game and tell him to play 2nd row next scrum. That doesn't sound safe.

  10. #10

    Referees in Wales
    Taff's Avatar

    Soc/Assoc
    Llanelli District
    Grade
    WRU Level 2
    Join Date
    23 Aug 09
    Posts
    6,938

    Default Re: 2nd rows ST&E

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    ... I would agree that it wouldn't be right to suddenly pick on a hapless 14 year old full back in the middle of a game and tell him to play 2nd row next scrum. That doesn't sound safe.
    In what way? They're limited to 1.5m shove anyway. What's the worst he can do? Be crap at pushing. That won't hurt anyone.

    I think Simon Thomas has hit the nail bang on the head with

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Thomas View Post
    The RFU Reg 15 Youth Variations Front 5 appendix came out of the risk aversion / safeguarding paranioa a few seasons ago.
    Last edited by Taff; 06-03-12 at 13:03.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •