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    Default Re: Leicester v Bath

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Burns View Post
    Fantastic refereeing and TMO'ing.

    Also, compliments must also go to the commentators, thought about their opinions, and what had happened, and knew that it should be (and ultimately was) two red cards.

    Proof that education of the TV guys is progressing!
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    You could almost hear Healey's brain trying to process the "where the hell do I go now? He just made an unarguable point".
    Is this the same austin healy that played for leicester ??

    Did he get a brain inserted at the same time as his hair??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chogan View Post
    Ask this. Which is worse, a high tackle or a punch to the head?
    Wrong question.
    Which is worse: THIS high tackle, or THIS punch to the head?
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    Default Re: Leicester v Bath

    I can't accept that.
    10.4.l Retaliation. A player must not retaliate. Even if an opponent is infringing the Laws, a player must not do anything that is dangerous to the opponent. Sanction: Penalty kick
    It is clearly covered above.
    Deacon took the law into his own hands through serious foul play. He didn't wait for TW's decision. For me that is always a reversal of the penalty when the retaliation is clear and obvious.
    Exception: In the circumstance where two players are punching each other and it could be argued that the player who initially received the first punch was defending themselves. e.g. Cudmore v O'Connell, Marler v Ayerza
    If you look hard enough, there'll be a penalty in there somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chogan View Post
    I can't accept that.
    10.4.l Retaliation. A player must not retaliate. Even if an opponent is infringing the Laws, a player must not do anything that is dangerous to the opponent. Sanction: Penalty kick
    It is clearly covered above.
    Deacon took the law into his own hands through serious foul play. He didn't wait for TW's decision. For me that is always a reversal of the penalty when the retaliation is clear and obvious.
    Exception: In the circumstance where two players are punching each other and it could be argued that the player who initially received the first punch was defending themselves. e.g. Cudmore v O'Connell, Marler v Ayerza
    The law says nothing about reversal.

    Scenario: Player A kicks an opponent in the head. Player B runs up and punches Player A on the back of his head. If you would automatically reverse the penalty, I would be astonished.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Default Re: Leicester v Bath

    Do you do this with any retaliation?

    One player high tackles as above, and a second the pushes him to the ground, it's stillretaliation but are you still going to reverse? Reversal should not be automatic.
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    Default Re: Leicester v Bath

    I'm impressed with the calm and method this has been dealt with, very nice piece of refereeing indeed...

    On the reversal, I agree with Robbie and others, it can't be automatic, it would be too unfair. Now would have I reverted it in that particular case, I honestly don't know...

    Lastly, I still have a question on protocol: why didn't the ref have a word with his AR who's flag was up?
    (it might be a dull question as I'm not aware of the actual propotocol involving TMO for foul play).

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    Default Re: Leicester v Bath

    Quote Originally Posted by talbazar View Post
    I'm impressed with the calm and method this has been dealt with, very nice piece of refereeing indeed...

    On the reversal, I agree with Robbie and others, it can't be automatic, it would be too unfair. Now would have I reverted it in that particular case, I honestly don't know...

    Lastly, I still have a question on protocol: why didn't the ref have a word with his AR who's flag was up?
    (it might be a dull question as I'm not aware of the actual propotocol involving TMO for foul play).

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    I thought he did - something like 'I want to look at the whole thing upstairs' AR says 'agreed'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby Warren View Post
    I thought he did - something like 'I want to look at the whole thing upstairs' AR says 'agreed'
    He did... My bad... The video takes a new sense with proper headphones and louder volume
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    Default Re: Leicester v Bath

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Burns View Post
    Do you do this with any retaliation?

    One player high tackles as above, and a second the pushes him to the ground, it's stillretaliation but are you still going to reverse? Reversal should not be automatic.
    Ok my comment was too strong and poorly thought out. There are many cases that you don't reverse the penalty. For Rob's example I wouldn't reverse because one is a RC an the other is a "be careful, there's no need for that."
    My issue with Deacon's punch is that both offenses deserve as high a sanction as one could give and secondly Deacon wasn't high tackled, he acted out of his own free will.
    If you look hard enough, there'll be a penalty in there somewhere.

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    Default Re: Leicester v Bath

    Deacon 1 week
    Bananaman 3 weeks
    Mears also banned (2 weeks I think - for 2 sneaky punches)
    Also anyone know what Lowe (sp?) got he got the first red card

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