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    Default Deciding whether or not ball has been touched down...

    Red 10 chips over blue back line into blue 22. Red 12 reaches ball first kicking it along ground into in goal. Blue 15 reaches ball first this time and, looking rather uncertain about what to do, stoops over ball (his back to the opposition) as though intending to pick it up, whilst his team mates yell "touch it down". Blue 15 has touched the ball whilst it is on the ground, but he hasn't picked up the ball and touched it down again, and it isn't clear to me that he has applied any downward pressure. He stands up again looking confused. No knock-on. If anything ball moves towards dead ball line. The blue 15's action looks to me like a failed/aborted attempt to pick up the ball rather than a proper touch down. Split seconds later, red 12 comes steaming in and dives on the ball. I awarded the try because I felt that blue 15 had not completed a touch down - more of a failed/aborted attempt to pick up the ball. Blue team not happy. I explain my view of things and we carry on. Any thoughts?

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    There are two ways a player can ground the ball:
    (a) Player touches the ground with the ball. A player grounds the ball by holding the ball and touching the ground with it, in in-goal. ‘Holding’ means holding in the hand or hands, or in the arm or arms. No downward pressure is required.12
    (b) Player presses down on the ball. A player grounds the ball when it is on the ground in the in-goal and the player presses down on it with a hand or hands, arm or arms, or the front of the player’s body from waist to neck inclusive.

    He didn't do (a)
    Did he manage (b)?

    It does say he has to 'press down' but to me the way you describe it sounds as if you are possibly technically correct... but a bit harsh?

    I wonder what the attacking players were expecting you to give? I often think that if all thirty players are expecting a particular decision, thats most likely the best decision to give...
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    Default Re: Deciding whether or not ball has been touched down...

    Thanks. Yes, I came away from the match feeling that I could justify the decision, but that it could also be viewed as harsh. It really was a scenario where I felt it was necessary to consider what I believe was the intention of the blue player to pick up the ball. If he had succeeded in picking up the ball, and had run the length of the pitch to score, my job would have been a whole lot easier! There was little reaction from spectators and coaches to the decision - I'm guessing because they could see that the fullback wasn't sure of what he was doing in this instance!

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    And I am not saying you necessarily made the wrong decision . At the end of the day you have to see it to call it.. And you saw it... And called it

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    I often think that if all thirty players are expecting a particular decision, thats most likely the best decision to give...
    You should give the decision that your experience and training tells you is correct. Players are often wrong, eg "Let him up".
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    Default Re: Deciding whether or not ball has been touched down...

    Why didn't you ask the TMO?

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    Default Re: Deciding whether or not ball has been touched down...

    I remember this happening once when I was playing. I pressed down on the ball in-goal then picked it up to trot out to the 22. An opponent took the ball out of my hands and scored the "try". I wonder if I had a confused look on my face too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    You should give the decision that your experience and training tells you is correct. Players are often wrong, eg "Let him up" .
    A la Phil Kearns whilst commentating during the Wallabies v Italy game.
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    Default Re: Deciding whether or not ball has been touched down...

    Quote Originally Posted by crossref View Post
    grounds the ball by holding the ball and touching the ground with it, in in-goal. ‘Holding’ means holding in the hand or hands, or in the arm or arms. No downward pressure is required.
    is it possible to ground the ball without there being any downward pressure?, ie...physics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Browner View Post
    is it possible to ground the ball without there being any downward pressure?, ie...physics?
    I don't think so.

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