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    Default Uncontested Scrum at U15, Girls, Can the No 8 Pick Up?

    I reffed an U15 Girls game on Sunday, and read up the regs the night before.

    During the game the scrums went uncontested. One team began using No 8 Pick ups, the other coach button holed me and said you're not allowed to pick up at No 8 from uncontested scrum.

    As I had seen nothing confirming this in the regs the night before I politely ignored her interpretation.

    Can anyone throw any light on this? Was I right, and its another myth?

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    Default Re: Uncontested Scrum at U15, Girls, Can the No 9 Pick Up?

    it's a common myth -- at all levels of rugby -- and you were quite right: the #8 can pick up. (make sure they stay bound properly until they do so, though...)

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    Default Re: Uncontested Scrum at U15, Girls, Can the No 9 Pick Up?

    Another myth.
    You were right.

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    Default Re: Uncontested Scrum at U15, Girls, Can the No 9 Pick Up?

    Always a good one this and one I have got wrong in the past. Why is it at all age groups and adult rugby they think as soon as it is uncontested they cant pick up?

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    Because some refs think so. :-(
    So it is always worth asking

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    Default Re: Uncontested Scrum at U15, Girls, Can the No 9 Pick Up?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ10 View Post
    Always a good one this and one I have got wrong in the past. Why is it at all age groups and adult rugby they think as soon as it is uncontested they cant pick up?
    I can hazard a guess ...... Distant memory says that one introductory level (u9? u10?? ) no8s werent allowed to pick the ball up , its possible that at the same age the scrums were uncontested??? & Hense the 'age specific' reg gets life into a coaching group & that group metamorph into referees ....... ?

    Just a theory.

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    Default Re: Uncontested Scrum at U15, Girls, Can the No 9 Pick Up?

    A common myth and a typical example of a self-appointed expert, who are often coaches with no refereeing qualification.

    I refereed both the Hampshire U15 and U18 Girls County sides four or five seasons ago, in support of the growth of the Game in that demographic. I had previously been highly supportive of my daughter's rugby career as an U18 and adult at all levels.

    the two age-group matches were on the same day same venue one after the other and all I had were coaches and parents telling me what I could or could not do or special Law interpretations before the match, during the match, and after the match. At the time I was a Level 7 referee, Chairman of the Society, and very active with the RFU Referees Dept.

    I had read the RFUW documentation about U15 and U18 Girls rugby and was very aware of requirements.

    I have not refereed an U15 or U18 Girls match since.

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    Default Re: Uncontested Scrum at U15, Girls, Can the No 9 Pick Up?

    A link to the RFU Regs pages might be winging its way to Oxfordshire

    But sheeez, if I can find the regs for my one off involvement, can't the coaches do the same. Its like teaching your players all the laws except 17, 15 and 9 because you haven't found out what they are.

    In fact...rant beginning here... when I get a junior appointment I will first confirm the coaches have read and coached to the age grade variations.

    PS Simon I am in your neck of the woods tomorrow reffing an out and out friendly at Wide Lane, or given its hydrophobic tendencies, Trojans if there is anything damper than a light dew.

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    Default Re: Uncontested Scrum at U15, Girls, Can the No 9 Pick Up?

    Interesting , at the south west festival at frome this year the festival rule was no 8 pick up at u15 level. Maybe that is where th confusion lies x
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    Default Re: Uncontested Scrum at U15, Girls, Can the No 9 Pick Up?

    Quote Originally Posted by Womble View Post
    Interesting , at the south west festival at frome this year the festival rule was no 8 pick up at u15 level. Maybe that is where th confusion lies x
    I hate festival-speecific rules.
    - there is always a number of referees who weren't at the brieifing / weren't listening and are not aware of the rule, so mistakes are made
    - there are always a number of coaches who weren't at the briefing / didn't read the hand outs and are not aware of the rule, who get steamed up
    - there are always a number of 14 year old players who were not told about today's special rule and unintentionally break it and concede a gotcha PK that really isn't fair for children who are doing their best, playing to the Laws that apply every other Sunday that season.

    Why do festival organisers think that - on the fly - they can invent better Laws for an age group than the Laws in the book?
    How do they think that their special made-up Laws can ever be consistently understood and applied?

    Just play the game, with the proper Laws, that are in the Law book.


    (plus there is always an agenda: show me a festival organiser who thinks the U15 game is better without pick ups, I'll show you an coach of an u15 team who have great wings and outside centres, but a rubbish back-row...)
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