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    Hi Guys,

    I had a very lopsided game today, 111-10, legs are shattered.

    One question - when a player misses a penalty kick at goal and the defender catches the ball, how long to they have to ground it to get the dropout option. I've always thought it was pretty much immediately but now I'm not so sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrod Burton View Post
    Hi Guys,

    I had a very lopsided game today, 111-10, legs are shattered.

    One question - when a player misses a penalty kick at goal and the defender catches the ball, how long to they have to ground it to get the dropout option. I've always thought it was pretty much immediately but now I'm not so sure.
    You are getting your Laws mixed up there I think Jarrod. There isn't any time limit as such after a missed PK, a player is allowed to look around and weigh up what they want to do, and if they touch the ball down, the 22DO is the only option.

    What you are thinking of when the ball goes into in-goal from a kick off or a restart kick, or a drop-out

    LAW 13 - KICK OFF AND RESTART KICKS

    13.9 BALL GOES INTO THE IN-GOAL

    (b) If the opposing team grounds the ball, or if they make it dead, or if the ball becomes dead
    by going into touch-in-goal, or on or over the dead ball line, they have two choices:
    • To have a scrum formed at the centre, and they throw in the ball, or
    • To have the other team kick off again.

    (c) If they opt to ground the ball or make it dead, they must do so without delay. Any other
    action with the ball by a defending player means the player has elected to play on.


    (d) If the ball does not travel ten metres and ends up in the kicking team’s in-goal and:
    • it is made dead by a defending player, or
    • the ball goes into touch in goal, or
    • lands on or over the dead ball line;
    a 5-metre scrum is awarded and the attacking team throw in.

    13.15 DROP-OUT GOES INTO THE OPPONENTS’ IN-GOAL

    (a) If the ball is kicked into the opponents’ in-goal without having touched or been touched by a
    player, the opposing team has three choices:
    • To ground the ball, or
    • To make it dead, or
    • To play on.

    (b) If the opposing team grounds the ball, or makes it dead, or if the ball becomes dead by
    going into touch-in-goal or on or over the dead ball line, they have two choices:
    • To have a scrum formed at the centre of the 22-metre line from where the kick was taken
    and they throw in the ball, or
    • To have the other team drop-out again.

    (c) If they opt to ground the ball or make it dead, they must do so without delay. Any other
    action with the ball by a defending player means the player has elected to play on.
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    Kick-off goes into goal. Receiver, staying in goal, holds the ball and does not ground it "without delay". As a chaser from the kicking team approaches the receiver then grounds the ball.

    At this point I assume that the opportunity for a scrum at center has been lost and the delayed grounding will now result in a 22 drop out.

    Although not required I think it good practice for the referee to give a warning of "Ground it or play on" or some such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marauder View Post
    Kick-off goes into goal. Receiver, staying in goal, holds the ball and does not ground it "without delay". As a chaser from the kicking team approaches the receiver then grounds the ball.

    At this point I assume that the opportunity for a scrum at center has been lost and the delayed grounding will now result in a 22 drop out.

    Although not required I think it good practice for the referee to give a warning of "Ground it or play on" or some such.
    Not really practical. By the time the referee decides a reminder is needed, the player has already delayed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marauder View Post
    Kick-off goes into goal. Receiver, staying in goal, holds the ball and does not ground it "without delay". As a chaser from the kicking team approaches the receiver then grounds the ball.

    At this point I assume that the opportunity for a scrum at center has been lost and the delayed grounding will now result in a 22 drop out.

    Although not required I think it good practice for the referee to give a warning of "Ground it or play on" or some such.
    Agree, given that there will be wide referee variances on 'without delay' ( as there invariably is with immediately) some kinda warning makes sense, as long as its not "Use It" cos that will no doubt be taken to mean they have 5s to dilly dally .

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    And after a ko they only need to act without delay if they want the scrum back / kick again option. If they delay, and then touch down, they still get the 22m drop out

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    The answer to your question Jarrod is he can take as long as he wants
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Not really practical. By the time the referee decides a reminder is needed, the player has already delayed.
    ... and now we start a discussion as to the difference between "immediately" and "without delay".

    I think there is a moment when the player picks up the ball instead of grounding it that a call of "Ground it or play on" is appropriate.

    If the law said "immediately" then I would say that you are correct and I would expect the receiving player to simply ground it and for him to pick it up he has "played on".

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    What would yo do in this situation:

    Blue kicks off and ball rolls into Red in-goal. Red player stops the ball with his foot. Another Red player, coming from an onside position, dives on and grounds the ball.

    Restart?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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