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    Can anyone make sense of the new rules for U11 rugby with regard to kicking. It seems to me that the non-kicking side can get a scrum under alost any circumstances, even if they knock the ball on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marko View Post
    Can anyone make sense of the new rules for U11 rugby with regard to kicking. It seems to me that the non-kicking side can get a scrum under alost any circumstances, even if they knock the ball on!
    thanks
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    Thanks, Phil E.
    I take it these are the problem rules
    9. [...]
    d) Other than from a restart, a free kick or charge down, if from a kick the ball is played in flight by a player of the non-kicking team and knocked forward, a scrum will be awarded to the non-kicking team
    from where the ball is touched.
    e) If from a kick the non-kicking team plays the ball and it goes backward, advantage can be played to the non-kicking team. Where no advantage is gained a scrum should be awarded to the non-kicking
    team.

    I agree something looks wrong!

    I assume they don't want too much kicking; they also want players to try and catch the ball when kicked but know they will often fail.

    Why don't they use the term "knock-on"? Even assuming that forward and backward mean "in the same direction as the flight" does not make sense.

    I'll see if I can get some answers.
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    I guess it prevent a side who has a boy with a strong boot simply punting down field and winning a scrum from the knock on before everyone has learned to catch. (I expect a chorus of disapproval from down under about how we are wrapping players in cotton wool).
    But, if we could get rid of aimless kicking from the adult game, many spectators would be happy.

    If you kick and the opponent can get a hand to it before it bounces, they will earn a scrum or a free pass.
    If the ball bounces it is game on.
    So kick into space or use a grubber.

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    AIUI Camquin is spot on. it is supposed to promote kicking-with-purpose. Poor kicks that can be played by a defender before bouncing cannot in effect gain an advantage.

    Does that NRoP regulation say where the scrum should be taken? From where the ball was played by the defender or from where the kick was made? If the foimer the kicking team can still gain ground if not possession.

    U11 scrums - are they contested? (I don't think so).

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    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    U11 scrums - are they contested? (I don't think so).

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    I think the rules are you're not allowed to kick under 11s anymore.

    I'll have rely on my game management skills.

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    I have asked some people involved in setting up these rules.

    They want to allow players to kick, and also encourage players to attempt the much more difficult skill of catching. To that end they do indeed intend that any player who tries to catch the ball can be sure his team will not lose out. At worst they will get a scrum at the point where the ball was played..

    This should encourage kickers to kick into space.

    This was trialled in three areas and worked well.

    I suspect that teams without a good kicker will not kick much except under duress - when it will probably go horribly wrong and make them even less inclined to try. However teams do need to develop good kickers, so they have to learn at some stage.

    I have some concern that players will have to unlearn some of the habits they (hopefully) develop this season, but it does not seem as bad as it at first appears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    Thanks, Phil E.
    I take it these are the problem rules
    9. [...]
    d) Other than from a restart, a free kick or charge down, if from a kick the ball is played in flight by a player of the non-kicking team and knocked forward, a scrum will be awarded to the non-kicking team
    from where the ball is touched.
    e) If from a kick the non-kicking team plays the ball and it goes backward, advantage can be played to the non-kicking team. Where no advantage is gained a scrum should be awarded to the non-kicking
    team.

    I agree something looks wrong!

    I assume they don't want too much kicking; they also want players to try and catch the ball when kicked but know they will often fail.

    Why don't they use the term "knock-on"? Even assuming that forward and backward mean "in the same direction as the flight" does not make sense.

    I'll see if I can get some answers.
    Bwaasa haaaa haaa. And this is why your backs can't catch.....lucky your forwards can scrimmage to make up for the failings of your backs!

    God you guys find ways to hamper and limit the ability of your players to exploit their strengths and exploit their oppositions weaknesses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Camquin View Post
    (I expect a chorus of disapproval from down under about how we are wrapping players in cotton wool).
    Not true.......I was thinking bubble wrap.
    Just can't think of the best tune to sing it too? Possibly an Elton John number? Candle in the wind maybe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Lifeson-Peart View Post
    I think the rules are you're not allowed to kick under 11s anymore.
    Definitely not down here...their mothers get upset and you get charged with assault. Bada-bing bada-bang!

    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    , but it does not seem as bad as it at first appears.
    Oh yes it does!

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