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    I refereed at an U14s 7s tournament at the weekend and one of the competing clubs (who had brought 2x teams in their brand spanking 7s kit) refused to play as they felt the ground was too hard. They raised it at the coaches/refs meeting saying they weren't happy with pitch 2 (usually the training pitch and a bit less grassy between the 22s. The running order was switched so all the games were on pitch 1 then they decided that was too hard too.

    They left.

    Thankfully we refs were not dragged into it.

    Tournament went off without a hitch and there were no injuries caused by the state of the pitch that I saw. I did 7 games of 10 minutes each.(10 minute games to make sure boys only played an hour max)

    Enjoyable day - though a bit hot.

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    Default Re: Ground too hard.

    Best to avoid this sort of thing. Lawyers are good at making it somebody's fault, blame culture is their bread and butter. Although the case refers to the ground being frozen solid in places, the same would apply in Summer, if the surface was too hard to take a stud.

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    Too hard to "take a stud" is an interesting one although I personally think too hard in Winter is not the same as too hard in Summer (ooooerr missus) . That said I'm still glad we didn't get dragged into the discussion.

    As an organiser I would be concerned ('til the tournament had finished) if a team/teams had refused to play on the grounds the pitch(es) was too hard ie unsafe and a member of another team who had agreed to play had an accident.

    In Sunday's case it was common knowledge amongst all watching that a club had withdrawn their teams over concerns about the pitch(es). It was the team who had travelled furthest which withdrew.

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    Default Re: Ground too hard.

    I've often wondered what the difference is between a frozen pitch eg where you cannot dig a heel in) and a baked hard pitch (ditto).


    There are certainly safety issues to consider for scrummaging if front rows in particular cannot gain a purchase on baked ground.

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    Default Re: Ground too hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by didds View Post
    I've often wondered what the difference is between a frozen pitch eg where you cannot dig a heel in) and a baked hard pitch (ditto).


    There are certainly safety issues to consider for scrummaging if front rows in particular cannot gain a purchase on baked ground.

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    The key difference is that you tend to get "dagger-like" pieces of frozen mud protruding from the ground when it is frozen.
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    So what happens in countries like Namibia?

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    Default Re: Ground too hard.

    For mine, the difference between a frozen pitch and a baked pitch is that a baked pitch, such as I see through most of my season, has a covering of grass on top that short moulded studs or pimples can grip. Frozen grass does not offer any purchase to anything less aggressive than an ice-pick.

    (Of course, I don't have to worry about powerful scrums.)

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    Default Re: Ground too hard.

    main issue we have here is turf cricket pitches in the middle of the ground. They get wet and chewed up by studs then dry out and become hard & spiky.
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    Default Re: Ground too hard.

    Hmm. Was the ground too hard or was the team too soft...

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    Default Re: Ground too hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by leaguerefaus View Post
    Hmm. Was the ground too hard or was the team too soft...
    They were U14 and their coaches withdrew them.

    They were from Nottinghamshire though.
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