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    Quote Originally Posted by Accylad View Post
    I am new to this AR game....

    However. Things I have learned....

    No wipe out for a miss.
    At my levels there is no set protocol, and certainly no "my call" between the TJs. The wipeout signal therefore makes it clear what that TJ thinks, whereas no signal means he is not sure, or wasn't looking, etc.
    He trudg’d along unknowing what he sought,
    And whistled as he went, for want of thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    At my levels there is no set protocol, and certainly no "my call" between the TJs.
    over here, experienced TJs/ARs will generally call "your post" or "my post". One flag up and one flag down is very untidy.
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    At my levels there is no set protocol, and certainly no "my call" between the TJs. The wipeout signal therefore makes it clear what that TJ thinks, whereas no signal means he is not sure, or wasn't looking, etc.
    + me , I definitely want my TJs to give me a definite signal - goal or no goal. That signals to me that (1) they were paying attention and (2) they made a deicsion


    On the odd case where I have 1 up 1 down, or otherwise have to make my own judgement in a tricky case, I always make sure to tell both catpains what the decision was --- so that we don't have any dispute an hour later when there's only 2 points in it!

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    I like the definite signal for a failed kick. It'd be nice if this were adopted everywhere and was known to players. It would make the one up one down situation far easier to handle: "one AR wasn't sure, but the other was".

    You'd be screwed by a one up one wiping motion, though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    over here, experienced TJs/ARs will generally call "your post" or "my post". One flag up and one flag down is very untidy.
    Even experienced TJs (my levels) don't usually work as a pair.
    I expect AR's to be trained to work together.

    I still fail to see any actual disadvantage in having a specific signal for a failed kick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocY View Post
    I like the definite signal for a failed kick. It'd be nice if this were adopted everywhere and was known to players. It would make the one up one down situation far easier to handle: "one AR wasn't sure, but the other was".

    You'd be screwed by a one up one wiping motion, though!
    So you'd like to see a wiping motion if an AR was certain it missed or if was uncertain either way?
    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    So you'd like to see a wiping motion if an AR was certain it missed or if was uncertain either way?
    If the ARs agree, I would like to see a wiping motion. If the ARs cannot agree, they will have comms to tell the referee.

    I have heard the occasional comment from spectators that the referee made the decision because the ARs couldn't be sure ie gave no signal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OB.. View Post
    If the ARs agree, I would like to see a wiping motion. If the ARs cannot agree, they will have comms to tell the referee.

    I have heard the occasional comment from spectators that the referee made the decision because the ARs couldn't be sure ie gave no signal.
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    I, for one, like Roman numerals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    So you'd like to see a wiping motion if an AR was certain it missed or if was uncertain either way?
    Certain it'd missed. Hopefully you'd not get two conflicting certainties, but I think it'd make it easier as a ref to see "he's unsure, he's sure it missed, it missed".

    Of course, a bit of communication between the ARs so they both signal the same thing would be lovely (and render this system unnecessary) and I'd doubt TJs who wouldn't communicate to be aware of any such directive, but I live in hope.

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    The very few times I have had TJs give opposite signals is because - well - pretty obviously it's because they disagree!

    I don't see how any amount of communication between them would help, them being volunteer TJs, one from each club, if they genuinely disagree neither of them are going to cede to the other.


    Even with ARs, I'm actually not really a fan of the confer-and-agree model.
    Even with appointed ARs if they disagree, or one or other of them couldn't see, then I'd like to know that there is that uncertainty, and I'll talk to them both. I can then also add what I saw into the mix to get to the decision

    I don't really want to be presented with a faked certainty, where none existed.

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