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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post
    It came in over the closed season (at least closed for those of us in the NH). It was a directive from WR and IIRC it was included in the list of stuff that was new for this year )
    But its not included in the trials we are implementing (in the NH) next season?
    Was it one of the ones that didn't make the cut?

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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    Thanks for the answers Guys. When you say new directives and things, where do you locate these, as I look on WR site but only a few such as new sanctions on high tackle?

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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    But its not included in the trials we are implementing
    It is not a trial Phil, but was part of the clarification document that WR/RFU issued over the summer. I will try and dig it out and post it here - assuming I can find it. I know I printed it out pre-season, as an aide memoire but...
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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    Quote Originally Posted by beckett50 View Post
    It is not a trial Phil, but was part of the clarification document that WR/RFU issued over the summer. I will try and dig it out and post it here - assuming I can find it. I know I printed it out pre-season, as an aide memoire but...
    I think you guys are talking about the stuff they trialled in the Mitre 10 Cup in NZ last season
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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil E View Post
    This referred to

    "But now there are experiments that pertain to how rugby is played in England's Premiership. One of those is the introduction of the breakdown - a new idea and defined. Law 16 - Breakdown"

    What are they on about, I haven't heard anything about this experiment???????
    Totally understand where you are coming from Phil. I can remember having a few discussions about the proposals pre-season but can't remember seeing anything official from the RFU. (And quite often I'm on the secret list!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fat View Post
    I think you guys are talking about the stuff they trialled in the Mitre 10 Cup in NZ last season
    I think that is the start of the confusion and the basis of the discussions I was having pre-season. I knew what was being proposed and expected something to come from the RFU but nothing appeared.

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    LAW 16: THE BREAKDOWN (PREVIOUSLY RUCK)

    1. A breakdown is formed when an attacking player is over the ball on their feet.
    2. At this point an offside line is in place.
    3. The breakdown offside line for defenders is the hindmost foot.
    4. Players joining the breakdown must do so from behind the offside line and join behind the midpoint of the breakdown.
    5. Players joining the breakdown must bind onto any player, using their whole arm.
    6. Players must be on their feet for the duration of the breakdown.
    7. A player may be in the halfback position and remain behind the hindmost foot offside line.
    8. A player in the halfback position may lift the ball from the breakdown.
    9. Once the ball emerges from the breakdown it has ended.

    After consideration and review by World Rugby, it remains a possibility that they would consider a global trial of some or all of these laws in 2017, and potential adoption in 2018.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    After consideration and review by World Rugby, it remains a possibility that they would consider a global trial of some or all of these laws in 2017, and potential adoption in 2018.
    So why did Rugby365 say this is now an experimental law in the English Premiership and the Saracens Ref was correct as a result?
    It isn't, Fake News has reached Rugby!

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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    Hi Phil,
    Perhaps the dates at which the various links were written may provide some light on the matter. One rumour believing anther? I'm just as puzzled as you. I just posted the links for info purposes as possible reason behind what is being believed.
    I do know from my observations that refs have been refusing to allow players to get into the starting blocks much more this season even if there hasn't been some sort of official world wide directive/guidance. Something I support. However I do find refs are very inconsistent with this when the ball is very near the try line.

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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    Quote Originally Posted by Balones View Post
    Hi Phil,
    Perhaps the dates at which the various links were written may provide some light on the matter. One rumour believing anther? I'm just as puzzled as you. I just posted the links for info purposes as possible reason behind what is being believed.
    I do know from my observations that refs have been refusing to allow players to get into the starting blocks much more this season even if there hasn't been some sort of official world wide directive/guidance. Something I support. However I do find refs are very inconsistent with this when the ball is very near the try line.
    I have seen it penalised more by Champions Cup referees, than by Premiership referees at Tigers. i.e. the non RFU referees.

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    Default Re: Hands past off side line

    I think we are talking about two separate things here.

    1 there was a proposal to consider trialing the revised law 16, the breakdown, which effectively was going to create an offside line at a tackle too, but this IIRC was put on a back burner somewhere.

    2 there was a clarification that behind the offside line included hands where players were adopting the "starting block" position

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