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    Default Charging a retreating player

    Quickly-taken penalty, white 2 taps and goes as blue is retreating. White changes course to charge square into the chest of a retreating blue 5 (presumably to milk a "not ten" call?). Everyone starts shouting and pushing while I work out what's going on (I wasn't well mentally prepared, having been asked to take up the whistle halfway through a scrappy match due to referee injury) and eventually I blow up to calm everything down and explain that blue was retreating in accordance with the laws and there's nothing wrong in my eyes, so restart with a scrum to white.

    As a learning point for myself, I feel I should have at least shouted "play on" clearly, but I'm not sure. My thinking is that blue is OK as long as he doesn't grab white before being put onside by a fellow player. However, would a penalty against white for milking a call ("A player must not commit any act that may lead the match officials to consider that that player was subject to foul play or any other type of infringement committed by an opponent") have been in order? At the time I mentally dismissed it because I thought it applied to foul play only, though given the mood of the match a tighter rein might have been in order.

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    Default Re: Charging a retreating player

    Contrived offence. Play on for me.

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    I'm not sure a scrum restart is the right answer here, although I understand why you've gone down that route. If it's all got very puzzling and you're not sure who has done what then the scrum is the best option once everything has calmed down.

    However, let's look at offences here. Firstly white 2 is clearly trying to milk a penalty, so you are well within your rights to penalise him, penalty to blue. I've given penalties for appealing, I'd be prepared to give a penalty for something like this where the clear intent is to try and milk a penalty.

    You mentioned shouting and pushing. I'd be looking for who initiated it, or what the worst offence in the middle of all that was, and penalise accordingly. Maybe penalty blue for milking, penalty reversal for ???? pushing/dissent whatever.

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    Default Re: Charging a retreating player

    21.9
    If the referee believes that the kicker’s team has contrived an infringement by their opponents, the referee does not award a further penalty but allows play to continue.

    Yes you have 10.4(m) Good Sportsmanship and 10.4(s) Dissent in your pocket if you feel you need to use them - but I would want to manage with a word the first time.

    If play has stopped with the ball in the field of play and there has not been a penalty offence then how else are you to restart other than a scrum.

    Giving a penalty against and reversing it has given the instigating player what he wants a penalty closer to goal.
    Last edited by Camquin; 07-05-17 at 22:05.

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    Default Re: Charging a retreating player

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    White changes course to charge square into the chest of a retreating blue 5
    So Blue 5 is running backwards?
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    Default Re: Charging a retreating player

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post
    Quickly-taken penalty, white 2 taps and goes as blue is retreating. White changes course to charge square into the chest of a retreating blue 5 (presumably to milk a "not ten" call?). Everyone starts shouting and pushing while I work out what's going on (I wasn't well mentally prepared, having been asked to take up the whistle halfway through a scrappy match due to referee injury) and eventually I blow up to calm everything down and explain that blue was retreating in accordance with the laws and there's nothing wrong in my eyes, so restart with a scrum to white..
    This is key for mine... its clear and obvious that the White player was milking it to contrive an offence... play on (Law 21.9)
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    Default Re: Charging a retreating player

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_NL View Post

    As a learning point for myself, I feel I should have at least shouted "play on" clearly, but I'm not sure.
    Indeed. Every now and then we come across incidents where the players all stop playing and look to you to do something. Experience generally tells us when one of these is happening/about to happen. In this case a loud "play on" may have circumvented the handbags.
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    Default Re: Charging a retreating player

    Concur. However, the tone of the game might warrant a PK against white (10.4(m) Good Sportsmanship). You'd need to be there to make the correct call.

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    Default Re: Charging a retreating player

    From what you describe, I'd be erring on the side of a penalty. I'd generally play on, even if there are calls for a penalty, with a "No! you ran into him!", but if a player had changed his line to run hard into an opponent (as opposed to the small bump that usually happens) I'd be thinking about a penalty and if it caused a flare up that's going to push me further towards awarding a penalty.

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    Default Re: Charging a retreating player

    Thanks for the feedback! It was indeed a game management moment to learn from.

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