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    Default Re: South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
    Revisiting this thread, as we near the end of RWC 2019.

    In light of the framework and the way the tackle has been refereed this World Cup... how many of the defenders of this tackle still consider it to be "perfectly legal"?

    Crickets. Very interesting.
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    Default Re: South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    Revisiting this thread again in light of: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...ackle-21610983

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pablo View Post
    Revisiting this thread again in light of: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...ackle-21610983
    Yup. Straight red and a lengthy ban coming I would think

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    Default Re: South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    let's apply some process to this tackle.

    1. was there head contact? No
    2. did the tackler tuck his arm? No
    3. was the kicker tackled in the air? Yes
    4. did he land on his head, neck or shoulder? No
    5. was the tackle late? Not C & O for me, tackler may have been committed.

    So we've got a tackle in the air and kicker lands safely.

    Looks like a YC to me. Happy to be convinced otherwise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    let's apply some process to this tackle.

    1. was there head contact? No
    2. did the tackler tuck his arm? No
    3. was the kicker tackled in the air? Yes
    4. did he land on his head, neck or shoulder? No
    5. was the tackle late? Not C & O for me, tackler may have been committed.

    So we've got a tackle in the air and kicker lands safely.

    Looks like a YC to me. Happy to be convinced otherwise
    Can’t argue with your process and outcome. Theoretically sound. I did the same analysis and came to a similar conclusion. The whole thing was exacerbated by a very big bloke colliding with a much smaller bloke. Every coach in the world nowadays tries to get your players running with as much force as possible into the opposition. The ‘offender’ was simply doing what was expected of him by his coaches, and even the team supporters.
    Having said all that I think for the good of the game it is not something we want to see on the pitch if we want youngsters still wanting to play the game.

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    Default Re: South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    Im sort of with Balones and Dicke here. Other than to say the kicker was only in the air because of the kicking action - he wasnt fielding a kick ... and now we are back to lions in NZ third test PK territory.

    I see a very very heavy tackle that if against a centre running would just be "ouch" - maybe a YC for no wrap, possibly just a PK and a "chat".

    IM not in the bracket of "immediate and obvious red" I guess, though can understand that we maybe do not want this in the game ... but this is where the PTB have taken the game ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickie E View Post
    let's apply some process to this tackle.

    1. was there head contact? No
    2. did the tackler tuck his arm? No
    3. was the kicker tackled in the air? Yes
    4. did he land on his head, neck or shoulder? No
    5. was the tackle late? Not C & O for me, tackler may have been committed.

    So we've got a tackle in the air and kicker lands safely.

    Looks like a YC to me. Happy to be convinced otherwise

    Sorry Dickie, but take the tackle process out of it for a moment.

    The "tackler" actually left his feet and dived shoulder-first at the opponent. This looks like a deliberate intent to cause a serious injury - how else should we deal with this sort of act.

    Again, I go back to the constraints being placed on referees to conform to a series of dogmatic procedures to decide on the issue of sanctions. Its a failed experiment you might gain consistency, but you do so at the expense of good judgement and commonsense - its not worth the trade-off. Put judgement back into the hands of the referees - let them decide if an act was intentional.

    For mine, this one would have got a black card.
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    Default Re: South African schoolboy rugby viral tackle video

    Agree with the process, but then I would be trumping it with dangerous play is dangerous play, if saw that clearly enough then RC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flish View Post
    Agree with the process, but then I would be trumping it with dangerous play is dangerous play, if saw that clearly enough then RC
    Yeah, Romain Poite said "C'est Rouge" almost straight away - he blew his whistle immediately, no AR/TMO consultation, showed him the RC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_Cook View Post
    Sorry Dickie, but take the tackle process out of it for a moment.

    The "tackler" actually left his feet and dived shoulder-first at the opponent. This looks like a deliberate intent to cause a serious injury - how else should we deal with this sort of act.

    Again, I go back to the constraints being placed on referees to conform to a series of dogmatic procedures to decide on the issue of sanctions. Its a failed experiment you might gain consistency, but you do so at the expense of good judgement and commonsense - its not worth the trade-off. Put judgement back into the hands of the referees - let them decide if an act was intentional.

    For mine, this one would have got a black card.
    I did consider the ‘take off’ of the tackler and the intent to hurt/damage and it was this that got be going back and fore between R and Y. Players leave their feet a lot of the time when tackling but usually it is when chasing down an opponent rather than tackling directly. Then again players take off to charge down as well. The intent to hurt I would suggest is quite common in the game and probably coaches and players try to do this to gain an edge. If I was playing I would perhaps be reluctant to run at certain players if they were going to hurt me each time! If I was the ‘offender’ in a disciplinary meeting I would perhaps ask ‘what did I do wrong or outside of the laws. And point out that it wasn’t my fault that he was so much smaller than me.
    So we are left with ‘dangerous play’, something that is subjective and that is why I say it is not something we (I) want to see in the game and can support a RC for no other reason than I didn’t like it. But based on process I can see why it could come out as a YC.

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